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Very, very bad.


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Mr. Trump seems to be OK. Prayers for a speedy recovery, and a top to bottom slaughter of the left, on the ballet, in November.

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Whoever was responsible for securing and clearing that rooftop should be fired and then brought to face charges of dereliction of duty. Nobody on the major news outlets talking about it.
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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Whoever was responsible for securing and clearing that rooftop should be fired and then brought to face charges of dereliction of duty. Nobody on the major news outlets talking about it.
JR

Your first mistake is expecting an accurate report from a major news outlet. Remember when we were told his entourage had trouble keeping up with Mr. Biden, he was an alert, and dynamic force of nature? Yea, that was the major media who saw to that lie.
Second, is thinking anybody in government faces similar repercussions to what an individual in the private sector would face.

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Disgusting... but hardly surprising.

The Liberal Left Democrats and the Liberal Left Media have been vilifying and demonizing Donald Trump ever since he chose to enter politics as a Republican. And since his decision to run for President again, they have launched an all out assault on him to bring him down or stop him. Biden and the Democrats have said he must never again become President. They have said he is an Insurrectionist who incited an attempt to steal the 2020 election. They have tried to imprison him and ruin him and his family financially. They have attacked his character and tried to ruin his marriage. They have called him a wannabe dictator who would destroy Democracy. They have compared him to Hitler, perhaps the most evil man in history. They have accused him of being a racist, and engaging in a war on women. He has been accused of planning to imprison his enemies in concentration camps. They say he will end Social Security, and create a climate crisis that will destroy the planet. They have called Donald Trump an existential threat... literally a threat to human existence.

Should anyone be surprised that all of this vitriol would inspire some Liberal nutcase to try to be the hero that would save humanity from what they consider the greatest threat this country ever faced? Don't think for a minute that there aren't a lot of Democrats who aren't wishing that bullet struck an inch or so to the right. Don't think there aren't a few of them right here.

And now those same pieces of human fecal matter are sending out contrite little Tweets and messages saying they hope Trump makes a full recovery... a recovery from the attempt to kill him that they all brought on. They couldn't truthfully attack his record or his accomplishments as President, so they relentlessly attacked the man. And they won't stop now. I said it here on 7/1/2024. They will stop at nothing to keep him from becoming our next President. And should he win in spite of all they will continue to throw at him, they will do everything they can to hamstring him until they can impeach him... or actually kill him.

This is the sick mentality of the Left.

Now for my next prediction... It won't be 48 hrs. before the Liberal Democrats use the tragedy they created to call for a ban on semi-auto assault style rifles and high capacity magazines.


I feel like Diogenes... searching for an honest and rational Democrat.

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I'm in Iceland, but that's quite the picture. Thank God he's OK.

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Whoever was responsible for securing and clearing that rooftop should be fired and then brought to face charges of dereliction of duty. Nobody on the major news outlets talking about it.
JR

Because they would rather have a different story today

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Whoever was responsible for securing and clearing that rooftop should be fired and then brought to face charges of dereliction of duty. Nobody on the major news outlets talking about it.
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I dont disagree. From what i understand currently, the roof the shooter was on was slightly higher than where the counter snipers were set up. I'm really not looking forward to the blowback from this

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Biden made a recent statement to donors ..........."It's time to put Trump in a bullseye". How unfortunate.

Even though he most likely meant that in another context it was a piss poor choice of words during a POTUS campaign as divided as this one is.

I praise God today for protecting DJT's life. America doesn't need a martyr, we need a leader. God help us, we sure don't have one in the Oval Office now. November's comin' .......


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Originally Posted by journeymen
Originally Posted by John Roberts
Whoever was responsible for securing and clearing that rooftop should be fired and then brought to face charges of dereliction of duty. Nobody on the major news outlets talking about it.
JR
I dont disagree. From what i understand currently, the roof the shooter was on was slightly higher than where the counter snipers were set up. I'm really not looking forward to the blowback from this

If true, the blowback should be hurricaine proportions. Some of the news outlets showed one of those earth maps of the area. The roof top appeared close, and there was line of sight to dispatch the criminal.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Biden made a recent statement to donors ..........."It's time to put Trump in a bullseye". How unfortunate.

Even though he most likely meant that in another context it was a piss poor choice of words during a POTUS campaign as divided as this one is.

I praise God today for protecting DJT's life. America doesn't need a martyr, we need a leader. God help us, we sure don't have one in the Oval Office now. November's comin' .......

Bill Barr was spot on. The current president, among many other followers, has called President Trump an existential threat to our democracy.

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130 yards is a chip shot for just about anybody here. Mr. Trump truly dodged a bullet.

The Secret Service, FBI, DHS, and local police have some explaining to do. Beginning with, why were Mr. Trump and Mr. Kennedy denied, despite repeated requests, enhanced, or, in the case of Mr. Kennedy, any, Secret Service details?

This is just a further failing of the Joe Biden administration.

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This is just a further failing of the Joe Biden administration.


I don't think so Ted. They would prefer all real Americans be taken out. And they couldn't care less how, just that we're gone

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
130 yards is a chip shot for just about anybody here. Mr. Trump truly dodged a bullet.
Ted

I'm going with a Providentially induced flinch.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
I'm going with a Providentially induced flinch.

Providence take a day off April 15, 1865?


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He, Trump, just turned his head half a second before the bullet arrived. Looked to his right, which moved his head about an inch or inch and a half, which resulted in the bullet just missing a fatal head shot. One person behind him was not so lucky as he threw his body over his family to shield them. Gave his life for theirs and I am certain he did it gratefully for the chance. Half a second or a single inch would have changed everything. And the main street media secretly would rather have the other story.

Security was criminally bad. Was it a sense of false security because Trump fans tend to be very law abiding? Did they not have a good security plan for this open location? Is this the B team, who were just gong through the motions? Allowing anyone to climb up on a roof, in plain view, under 150 yards, with a rifle just blows my mind.

We truly need a complete shakeup of the government. I do not know if we are going to get it but if we do not our future is bleak. Hope everyone here stays safe and takes care of his family as best he can. I do not see a civil war but I do fear rising levels of crime with a government unwilling and unable to do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by KY Jon
Is this the B team, who were just gong through the motions?

My wife made a mention of how bumbling the female agents appeared as they "secured" the area around the vehicle they put Trump in.

Sky News (Australia) described them as the "fumbling fumbelina's".

During my basic combat training 56 years ago rule one was to never let the enemy have the high ground and I've never forgotten it. The question is whether the failure to secure the roof top was incompetence or intentional disregard for Trump's security. Regardless, heads should roll but since this is government we know they won't.

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Plus she is pretty short. SS should have a height requirement to be at least as tall as whom they are shielding

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Originally Posted by Kolar Dickson
Plus she is pretty short. SS should have a height requirement to be at least as tall as whom they are shielding


Fat and short. The failings of the Secret Service begin right at the top, with the DEI Joe Biden appointed head.


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The assassin just guaranteed Trump's victory. The photo of the bleeding, defiant, and courageous Donald Trump will become iconic.

The BBC interview with a well spoken eye witness will justifiably engender more conspiracy theories, especially since the previous theories have been proven true. The delays of the authorities to stop the shooter scream "conspiracy." The delay could well be bureaucratic micro managing and top-down, not on the scene management. Considering the marxist ideologues in charge of Washington, the idea of SS helping the shooter cannot be flippantly dismissed.

The current femunist in charge of the Secret Service main concern was seeing that the SS had 30% women in it.

Not to worry, the same people involved in protecting the Hunter crimes and Hillary's invention of the Russia hoax will investigate.

With Judge Cannon's squashing Jack Smith, I hope a cascade of dung covers the democrat party.

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Funny how there’s no nutty professor or loser jimmy commenting. Perhaps they’re in mourning because it failed. They have no problem spouting their liberal bullcrap on any other post. If they show up with remorse it will not be any more believable than what the media and the democrats have said

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The big question for me is why the sniper managed to neutralise the assailant a split second after he got his shots off at Mr Trump.Maybe it was just bad timing due to a lag in comms but it was crucial in the event........

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That immediately brings to mind that attendees saw the shooter on the roof, told security and according to the news two local cops climbed up and fell down when he aimed at them and yet the Secret Service Sniper did not see him in time. Something wrong here.


So many guns, so little time!
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When you have Pelosi, Schummer and Biden saying Trump is the next Hitler it is not surprising some young person thinks they are doing a good deed for mankind. They need to be told they are a major part of the problem with our society pulling apart


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And you have Wolf Blitzer downplaying the shooting by conjecturing that his ear couldn't have been hit by a bullet because it would have continued on into other people and caused collateral damage.

And you (supposedly) have the sniper who shot the attempted assassin saying that he could have shot him three minutes before he did but he was told twice to stand down.

It's going to be hell to pay trying to get the truth out of all the BS being sprayed about. I don't have much hope that we can. Pray for the truth to be found out and reported.


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Originally Posted by builder
That immediately brings to mind that attendees saw the shooter on the roof, told security and according to the news two local cops climbed up and fell down when he aimed at them and yet the Secret Service Sniper did not see him in time. Something wrong here.

Yeah, I've been to a couple Trump rallies, and thought about attending this one in Butler, but didn't feel like standing all day in the very hot humid weather. I don't know why they chose the Butler Farm Show Grounds when the nearby Big Butler Fairgrounds would have been a much larger and more easily secured venue. I noticed that security seemed fairly sparse compared to the rallies I attended, where there were uniformed snipers on top of taller buildings and airport hangers. I'm astounded that a man with a rifle could get on top of a building roof in broad daylight less than 150 yards from Trump. There was even a ladder to get up there. When Obama visited a plant where I worked, the Secret Service was in there for days in advance securing all elevated positions, and blocking access to overhead crane ladders. Lockers were tack welded closed after being checked for explosives with bomb sniffing dogs. Snipers were placed in Crane Cabs. I did not attend that Obama speech, because I had no interest, but attendees told me security was extremely tight and visible.

Then for this assassin to be seen on the roof by several eyewitnesses, and reported to police for several minutes without prompt reaction to stop the threat and cover Trump is equally amazing. If it is true that the Secret Service now has rules of engagement to not neutralize a threat until he actually fires a clearly visible gun, then it just doesn't get much worse. It's kind of like paying Border Patrol Agents to stand by and watch millions of illegals enter our country. That kinda screams either total incompetence or complicity. In either case, heads should roll.

We likely won't be told of decisions to reduce or limit Trump's Secret Service Detail at this rally. Biden's head of the Secret Service, and many agents are obviously ineffective DEI hires. Add another abject failure to Biden's abysmal record. But we do know that Democrats totally denied Secret Service protection to RFK Jr., and there is a bill in the House of Representatives by Democrat Bennie Thompson and nine other Democrats to eliminate Trump's Secret Service protection. All of this is while supporting or engaging in inflammatory rhetoric that has put Trump more at risk. After years of willful and reckless endangerment, should we believe them now when they say violence such as this has no place in our country? As I often say about our Libtards here, pay attention to what they do, rather than what they say.

News about the would be assassin is still very sparse. The Liberal Media is quick to emphasize he was a registered Republican, which means nothing to me. At that same age, I was a registered Democrat, but switched to No-Party Affiliation soon after seeing how crooked my Democrat bosses were. He donated to Act Blue, and some sources say he had ties to ANTIFA. This must be about the only 20 year old on earth without a presence on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or other social media. What, no computer history??? No cell phone??? No texts??? No information on drug use, or anti-depressants??? It just doesn't smell right. Of course, we've seen the Left engaged in wiping emails, computers, and social media posts, so you don't have to be paranoid to think something is amiss here. Is this being investigated by the same FBI that supported a phony dossier about Trump/Russia collusion and said that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation? That certainly inspires confidence that we'll be getting the whole truth.

Then, as if we needed further proof of the mental illness of the Left, we have all sorts of social media posts and interviews showing insane Liberal Democrats who are in mourning because the bullets didn't kill Trump. If you haven't seen them, you should check them out on places like YouTube, Libs of TikTok, etc. It's scary to think that people this unhinged are among us, and are even allowed to vote. They should be in strait-jackets, under psychiatric care.

And of course, we can't forget that iconic photo of a bloodied Trump, fist pumping and defiant. Quite a few Liberals feel the whole assassination attempt was staged or faked, and that Trump actually was willing to allow a sniper to fire a 5.56 mm rifle bullet from nearly 150 yards at his moving head to pierce his ear, and even kill innocent bystanders, just to get a great campaign photo and a bump in the polls.

Do they perchance make 8 ply steel belted radial strait-jackets for these jackasses?


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DJT Walk on at RNC 2 days after. Remarkable

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/...s-share&referringSource=articleShare


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God protects Trump from an AR-15 but not a schoolroom of little kids? (from the comments)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/...s-share&referringSource=articleShare


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God protects Trump from an AR-15 but not a schoolroom of little kids? (from the comments)


Depends where the little kids go to school:

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God loves the little kids at this school.

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So do their parents. The staff at the school loves them, too.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/...s-share&referringSource=articleShare


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Depends where the little kids go to school:

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God loves the little kids at this school.

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So do their parents. The staff at the school loves them, too.

Sign pretty much proves the point. What’s God have to do with it?


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Originally Posted by Kolar Dickson
Plus she is pretty short. SS should have a height requirement to be at least as tall as whom they are shielding

A height requirement would have an adverse impact on female agents and, would, therefore be discriminatory. This is where we are: form over substance and dam the consequences. And least someone think the Almighty favors DJT over little children, think again. He loves us all equally. The NYT is full of $hit. The SS and local police didn’t do their jobs Saturday just as the authorities in Uvalde didn’t do theirs. Misfortune and tragedy in this world are due to negligence when bad people take advantage of that weakness. Bad things happen to good people and that’s a hard pill to swallow.

As a reminder this is a discussion group for double barrel shotguns. I wish people would leave their pathetic opinions and questions to their therapist and leave the rest of us out of it. Or at least comment when they are sober and prior to the meds wearing off.

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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/...s-share&referringSource=articleShare


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God protects Trump from an AR-15 but not a schoolroom of little kids? (from the comments)


Depends where the little kids go to school:

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God loves the little kids at this school.

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So do their parents. The staff at the school loves them, too.

Sign pretty much proves the point. What’s God have to do with it?


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Pretty sure God loves all children.



If somebody wants to believe God saved Donald Trump from being executed, more power to them. I’ve noticed, casually, that .223 bullets don’t behave in necessarily predictable ways after they strike an object, any object, and in my gut I’m just really glad that one zigged instead of zagged when it clipped The Donald’s ear.

God did it? As good an explanation as anything scientific that I can come up with.

Everybody needs something to believe in.

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I believe I’ll have just a bit more lemonade right now.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
....If somebody wants to believe God saved Donald Trump from being executed, more power to them. I’ve noticed, casually, that .223 bullets don’t behave in necessarily predictable ways after they strike an object, any object, and in my gut I’m just really glad that one zigged instead of zagged when it clipped The Donald’s ear.

God did it? As good an explanation as anything scientific that I can come up with.

Everybody needs something to believe in.

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I believe I’ll have just a bit more lemonade right now.

Not to mention that parocial schools are more likely to involve parents interested in their child's outcome, and kids that grow up to have nonjimmy values.

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Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.


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Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.
Edited after reading down posts. Affirmative Action hiring of "teachers" has basically destroyed our public schools. They've been dumbed-down to a certain racial-driven outcome, especially in the Southeastern US, but surely inner-cities of our major metropolis's may be the worst. Subpar teachers=subpar students, and it's been epidemic for decades. The NEA is horribly corrupt in propping up the system.

Lyndon Johnson's War On Poverty destroyed the black nuclear family, and the resulting offspring received very little of life's tools needed to learn a quality education. Ebonics comes to mind. Our entire public education system is in shambles save pockets scattered around that do well in spite. No racist intent, but they're almost all in predominantly white populated towns and small cities. The steady decline of our basic cultural values and abandoning of Christian/Godly principles has led to this. No prayer in schools.

Dismantle the Dept of Education, the worst of all the bureaucracies in our govt.
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Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.


Really, is that how it works? We have charter schools in Wisconsin . The school fund spends less per child sending them to private schools therefore we save money on every child plus they get a better education. A win win

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Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.

Actually, if public education would/could deliver on it's promise, there would be "nothing wrong" with it. But, it has been many decades since that was true, and the test scores clearly document that.

No country pays more for public education, and gets less to show for it.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.

Actually, if public education would/could deliver on it's promise, there would be "nothing wrong" with it. But, it has been many decades since that was true, and the test scores clearly document that.

No country pays more for public education, and gets less to show for it.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


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Thread drift, gentlemen.


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Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.

I'll bet this same sentiment doesn't apply to Liberal sacraments like providing taxpayer dollars to subsidize abortion clinics or funding Liberal propaganda machines like PBS or National Public Radio.

I sure as hell don't want to see my tax dollars funding any public school curriculum that includes woke LGBTQ crap or perverted grooming of kids with shit like transgender story hour. But Liberal Left Democrats have no problem funding that with our taxes.

Last week, I met a couple who are both teachers. The wife, who teaches in a local public high school. commented that the kids she gets who come from either parochial or Jewish elementary schools are much better behaved and much better prepared academically.

Parents who pay school taxes ought to be able to use at least some of those dollars to shop for the best education in a free marketplace, i.e., School Choice. Taxpayers ought to have more control in seeing their taxes get more bang for the buck. We pay more per pupil for public school education than any nation on earth, yet have diminishing test scores.


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.

Actually, if public education would/could deliver on it's promise, there would be "nothing wrong" with it. But, it has been many decades since that was true, and the test scores clearly document that.

No country pays more for public education, and gets less to show for it.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


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What is the cost of an uneducated population? Higher than that of financing a good public education system is my feeling.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by SKB
Nothing at all wrong with a parochial school education, just don't take tax dollars away from public education to fund it.

Actually, if public education would/could deliver on it's promise, there would be "nothing wrong" with it. But, it has been many decades since that was true, and the test scores clearly document that.

No country pays more for public education, and gets less to show for it.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


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Thread drift, gentlemen.


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