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This gun is a wand. A shade over 5-1/2 lbs with barrels a shade under 29". This is a "Blitz" or trigger plate action gun. Makes for a slim, round bodied action, comfortable to carry. Has cocking indicators, doll's head, double underlugs. Fine checkering, Greener safety, ivory bead, horn forend tip, swivels, nice little gun. Apparently Emil Kerner was a retailer and most of the guns were made by Merkel or Sauer, this looks more of the Sauer style. It's marked "Emil Kerner Suhl" on the left barrel and "St. Louis" on the right, perhaps they were thinking of importing to the US? There is no proof date code, only a s/n, 1817 on most parts. Suhl started requiring proof date codes in 1923. The original LOP at 13-5/8" was too short for me so I had a pad added (without cutting the stock) to bring it out to 14-5/8". I am including the original buttplate and screws which can be reinstalled if desired (see last picture, not screwed down yet). Nice gun for a young shooter with plate and add pad or wood extension later on. C&R Eligible. $1850 plus S&I. Link to images... Emil Kerner 16 bore, # 1817 28-13/16" bbls, 2-9/16" chambers Weight 5#, 9oz left barrel Emil Kerner, Suhl right barrel St. Louis right. bbl left.bbl bore 0.673 0.669 choke 0.638 0.630 constriction 0.035 0.039 OD @ muzzle 0.760 0.746 minus choke 0.122 0.116 X.05 = wall 0.061 0.058 @ muzzle long, tapered chokes LOP 13-⅝” w/ plate 14-⅝” w/ pad DAC 1-5/16” DAH 2-7/16” w/ plate 2-9/16” w/ pad ![[Linked Image from content.invisioncic.com]](https://content.invisioncic.com/r266882/monthly_2024_05/IMG_1292copy.thumb.JPG.3cdde58bfbed4eb59b5dbd3fba13fd05.JPG) ![[Linked Image from content.invisioncic.com]](https://content.invisioncic.com/r266882/monthly_2024_05/IMG_1301copy.thumb.JPG.dceb7942ce503a3c5f236fa1cf7d9695.JPG) ![[Linked Image from content.invisioncic.com]](https://content.invisioncic.com/r266882/monthly_2024_05/IMG_1331.thumb.JPG.601eff63902b2057e26d40537e0ad870.JPG)
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may have an interest in this gun...
however, 5 1/2 pounds seems too light for a 16 gauge gun with 28 inch barrels...
can you provide barrel wall thickness measurements in front of chambers?
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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may have an interest in this gun...
however, 5 1/2 pounds seems too light for a 16 gauge gun with 28 inch barrels...
can you provide barrel wall thickness measurements in front of chambers? may have an interest in this gun...
however, 5 1/2 pounds seems too light for a 16 gauge gun with 28 inch barrels...
can you provide barrel wall thickness measurements in front of chambers? Too funny. A request for wall thicknesses from a guy that will not provide them on the guns he sells.
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Rob...about dem barrel wall measurements?
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Best I can do is OD minus ID divided by 2.
How far from the breech would you like it?
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pls provide barrel wall thicknesses in front of chambers....090 or more would be comforting...
and if possible, same measurements 7 inches, more or less, down from muzzles....025 would be ok...
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You didn't answer my question, we'll try again.
Don't tell me "in front of the chambers", that's arbitrary.
How far from the breech would you like it? The gun has 2 9/16 inch Chambers do you want to measurement 2-9/16 inches from the breech?
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Using the method I described, OD-ID over 2..
3" from breech,
Rt .098, Lt, .101
7" from muzzle,
Rt. .031, Lt .029.
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those measurements sound fine to me...
lets do a deal...
pls contact me via pm with payment details...
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After all the drama about wall thickness, and stating he wants the gun, Ed backs out.
The reason I didn't get you the measurements the first time you asked was because I've had you on block for years.
I should've known better, back onto being blocked, don't bother me again.
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well, the gun, the price and sellers attitude did not provide the comfort level needed to make a deal...
Last edited by ed good; 09/28/24 10:29 AM.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Unbelievable. ED, you’re such a worthless POS.
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well, the gun, the price and sellers attitude did not provide the comfort level needed to make a deal... Well, this didn’t age well: but, I bet the guy pedlin dat Reilly ain't happy wid argo... in a spirit of good will, perhaps argo should delete his post here... Best, Ted
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After all the drama about wall thickness, and stating he wants the gun, Ed backs out.
The reason I didn't get you the measurements the first time you asked was because I've had you on block for years.
I should've known better, back onto being blocked, don't bother me again. I seldom sell something here, but, when I do, there are a few who inquire who will never be acknowledged. I’d like to think they know exactly who they are. Good luck with the sale, Rob. Best, Ted
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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well, the gun, the price and sellers attitude did not provide the comfort level needed to make a deal... Shut up, Ed.
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