doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com Daly Timeline Post WWI - Not for Canvas-Back Eyes

It often seems remarkable how once valued brand names get debased. It is always death by 1000 cuts. Each licencee is motivated to maximize the return on their investment, knowing that building brand value will most likely cause the licence to be revoked because of increasing value to the owner of the IP. It creates a negative spiral that I’ve never seen halted. Usually the only concern the IP owner has is that the downward spiral isn’t too fast. They know it’s happening……they just want to drag it out.

Determining exactly when (and with who) the Charles Daly brand became a separate IP, disconnected from SD&G, would be interesting.

It appears that Sloan' s Sporting Goods of Connecticut incorporated on March 10th, 1920?? Sloan's was @ 88 Chambers, Manhattan whilst Schoverling, Daly & Gales was @ 84 & 86 Chambers early on. Sloan's was the sole importer of Abesser & Merkel in the late 1920s and 1930s.

Sloan's Sporting Goods must have purchased the Charles Daly name in the early to mid 1920s as by the 1930s they are using the Daly name in their description of their shotguns.



Sloan's Sporting Goods 1937 Advert

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Sloan' s Sporting Goods of Connecticut was also the sole importer of Adamy Suhl during the 1920s & 1930s. Sloan's must have preserved Daly's sourcing lines to Germany?

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Raimey
rse

in an effort to get a grasp on the whole picture of Schoverling, Daly & Gales, I got off my duff & picked up a few old >>Schoverling, Daly & Gales, Wholesale Gun Dealers<< catagloues. I am starting to gently sift thru the pages and I thought I'd start an info thread on all the accessories, like Gunsmith Tools Whitehouse Make, peddled by the concern.





Possible a little insight into components like Nr. 22 - Cherry Conical, Nr. 24 Cherry Round, Nr. 48 - Slant or Cock Clamp.....





2nd page of Gunsmith Tools and note they peddled American & Belgian threads



Too, if any knowledgeable member could better describe the use of each tool or component, I would appreciate it.

Last, I can keep this in the Basement in the German & Austrian Section or post in the General Area.....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I would me more than happy to oblige anyone that requests a closeup of any component, tool or description.

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Raimey
rse

This info is from the 3rd Edition of their CATALOGUE with principals:

August Schoverling
Charles Daly
Joseph Gales
Henry F. Rice

Foreign Offices in:

65 & 66 Weaman Street, Birmingham

17 Rue de Paradis Poissoniere, Paris

And they note there is an office in Liège, but not info is given.....

Last they note that speak German & French.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, what year is the third edition of the catalogue?

Not sure just yet Canvas-Back, but with the 84 & 86 Chambers Street, NY, it is from the 1880s... They were located there in1884.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I will have to look, but I think the Bicycle Expert Joseph Gales joined the merry band in 1877(Charles Daly has 1887????) And I know that @ least by 1897 that Schoverling, Daly & Gales was located @ 302 Broadway & 64 Duane Street. So I must do some reading....

In 1897 their Postal Box Number had changed to 476; their Cable Address was >>Owlish<<; and their telephone was >>759 Franklin<<.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Ah, 1879 per the thread below:

>>.....I think it was in 1871 or 1877 as I've gotten my dates crossed but surely in the 1870s, SD&G had a satellite office at No. 65 Weaman Street, Birmingham and that seems to be the address of Tolley. Schoverling & Daly were involved in several import/retail houses and just like the tale that Charles Daly spun on the stand in the early 1890s(A. Schovering possibly would have been in the hot seat but he was on holiday in Germany where he expired) it seems that components were being imported as follows as all along with others were listed as agents of Schoverling & Daly:
Tubes to William R. Schaefer was located 61 Elm Street, Boston, Massachusetts;
Locks & Traps to Thomas L. Golcher 116 West Girard Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania(Joseph Jakob was also in Philly);
& Stocks/wood to Schoverling & Daly in New York. This would explain how all those similar components landed up on American assembled sporting weapons from the period. Now the possibility exists there were other import houses but these were Schoverling & Daly agents in the cities where the imports arrived. Schoverling & Daly advertised the "Daly Gun" as an import gun but then when the import tariffs were imposed the "Daly Gun" was a homegrown sporting weapon. Then in 1879 bicycle peddler Joseph Gales was added to the management.<<
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Raimey
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