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Ok fess up, who got the deal on the 16 bore Novot́ný pointed sideplated(A Czech Specificum) with Kilby tubeset, that looks to be Chopper Lump???














Repair proof in 1922 in Zella Sankt Blasii - Mehlis.


Lp,

Raimey
rse

I really like the way the barrels fit on the action

Those fences, too. And that little gold crescent moon safety-catch sigil.

Art.

I tried to do a deal with our friend Felix a good number of years ago on a beautiful Novotny 16 gauge. The deal floundered on the exporting issue.

Didn't it though..... The export fees are truly astronomical....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

At the time I was able to get guns out of France to Canada with the acquisition of a simple, minimal cost form from each of the two governments that were essentially saying in the eyes of the Canadian government I was authorized to receive said firearm. I would then have the gun dropped in the mail. 6-8 days later it would be available for pick up at my local PO upon payment of duty and taxes due. The transport and document fees were always less than $100. Sometime in the second half of the last decade, the EU discovered this travesty and quickly put an end to it.

Raimey,
That is a damn fine gun. I wish you would’ve bought it. Hell, I wish my friend would’ve bought it so I could’ve gotten inside of it to see what kind of action this beauty was built on!!!! Spectacular gun, top notch all the way around. Someone got themselves a hell of a shotgun.

Dustin:

You are 1000% correct. I would guess it is from the late 19 Century and a TRUE composed Continental Gun with efforts from the Best of gunmaking centres. Ah, I am just so busy with The Mortal Coil and I was waiting on your sidekick to make a move or get of the pot & I let it slip away but mere days......

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I have, however, played Hooky from the Mortal Coil for a few fleeting minutes, training Kids & Dogs....



Serbus,

Raimey
rse

If you’re gonna play hooky, that’s the way to go about it.

Raimey, regarding the Nowotny….what type of ejector work do you think it’s fitted up with? Looking at the pics of the forend iron….its a system I don’t think I’m very familiar with.
Do you think the gun is built on a trigger plate action? I don’t see axle pins for Sears and tumblers..

Dustin:

With those Brummy tubes, I would hazard a guess, Westley Richards and then say that the whole Gesteck/Parts Kit was soured from Westley Richards including the frame. One Stop Shopping in Birmingham in the late 19th Century.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

This Novot́ný is supposed to be a Paradox, but in rough shape, but it has a London Mark high on the tube and some other stamp that I just cannot put my finger on @ the moment. It could be Novot́ný's personal stamp or Quality Control Stamp.....

And I have a Novot́ný hammer gun with a similar London mark.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

"Kilby Tubeset" sounds like the name of a fictional mid-century custom gunmaker that Ed Zern might have come up with.

Ed Zern could well have been involved with Sir Kilby....

LP,

Raimey
rse

>>A Thomas Kilby (Thomas (I)) was recorded in the 1841 census as a gun barrel maker in Steelhouse Lane (no detailed address given), Birmingham. He was born in 1816, but where is not known (not in Warwickshire). He lived with his wife, Amelia (b.1811) and sons, George (b.1836) and Thomas (II) (b.1838 ).

Also recorded in the 1841 census at Court 3 Mount Street, Birmingham, was a clockmaker named Thomas Kilby. He was born in 1810 (not in Warwickshire) and was married to Emma (b.1811). They had a son named Thomas who was born in 1840. These two families appear to have been related and it seems that Thomas (hereinafter referred to as Thomas J Kilby) became a gun barrel maker in Thomas (I)'s business.

In the 1851 census Thomas (I) was recorded living at Court, 11 Steelhouse Lane, but he appears to have worked from Court 12 Steelhouse Lane. By this time another son, Alfred had been born (in 1850).

Between 1856 and 1861 Thomas (I) died but Amelia, with the help of both George and Thomas (II) aged 23 and 21 respectively, continued the business under the name A C Kilby & Sons (recorded as such in 1859).

In 1871 Thomas J Kilby was living at 18 New Thomas Street. He was married to Sarah (b.1843 nee possibly Newbrook) and at that date they had a son named Albert Edward (b.1870). Amelia and her sons, George and Thomas (II), appear not to have been recorded in any further censuses, and it seems likely that they sold the business to Thomas J Kilby and moved away from Birmingham. From the mid-1870s to about 1890 the business, still named Thomas Kilby, was located at 11 & 12 Steelhouse Lane.

In the 1881 census Thomas J Kilby was recorded living at 243 Park Road, Aston. In addition to his son Albert Edward, another son named Thomas had been born in 1872 (hereinafter referred to as Thomas J II), and a further son, Archie, was born in 1883, all were barrel makers working in the family business.

Albert Edward married Amy Elizabeth in about 1890, they lived at 59 Lodge Road, Aston Manor.

In the mid 1890s the firm moved to 128 Steelhouse Lane, this may well have been when the firm began selling guns under their own name. By 1901 Sarah had died and Thomas J Kilby was a widower living with Archie and three daughters. Thomas (J II) had married Emily, and they lived at 5 Nelson Road. Thomas J Kilby, Thomas (J II) and Archie all described themselves as gun barrel filers (damascus barrels had been superceded by mass-produced steel barrels) but they could probably have also accurately described themselves as gun makers. Albert Edward was probably still working for the firm but no evidence of this has been found.

The firm was recorded up to 1922, then again from 1936 to 1940, but who owned and ran the business in its later years is not known.<<

Me thinks to be Salopian's derviations?????

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I'd have to polish-up on my British Cockney, but it may just be found in >>Lady Chatterley's Lover<< or if you are akin to me, Hogan's Heroes >>Lady Chitterly's Lover<<, where I learned all my German.....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I just wished to link František Faukner's wares and others with the proverbial >>Czech Specificum<<.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...ds=frantisek+&Search=true#Post630384








And we cannot omit Lovely Lovena......

Lep Pozdrav,

Raimey
rse