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Naw shallow pit, take anything what’s his face says with a grain of salt, he’s been having trouble with his ass from elbow comparisons.
That is a very lovely double. 150 yrs and looking great!!

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well, if it is indeed 150 year old wood, then dont shoot it much, as the wood may begin to disentegrate...

and as for the pin hole? seek professional help...better safe than sorry...


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Originally Posted by ed good
well, if it is indeed 150 year old wood, then dont shoot it much, as the wood may begin to disentegrate...

and as for the pin hole? seek professional help...better safe than sorry...


You don't know much about 150 year old wood or guns. I have a Daw Shotgun that is even older and I have shot dozens of upland game and turekeys with it. You may need to stick to something else to criticise, because you don't know old high quality shotguns.

Steven Dodd Hughes wrote 2 articles on the Daw for Shooting Sportsman magazine and looked the gun completely over to write the articles and he forgot more about fine guns than you will ever know. Suffice it to say, you need to do something else besides armchair quarterbacking shotguns...

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Thanks for posting!
Do you have information as to how the gun remaining in such amazing condition for 150 yrs.?
Was it Nitro Proved at some point?

BTW: the barrels are English 2 Stripe
'Zipper' weld between straight ribband end welds

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According to Bro. Helsley, the barrels on Best grade were labeled in the Powell ledgers as "Best", and were usually 3 Iron. Other grades were simply "Damascus" (usually 2 Iron) or "Stub Damascus" (usually Laminated Steel).

Tiny superficial pits are not uncommon and were usually from surface inclusions lost during the finishing process. I tried to enhance your image and there are a few more nearby. I can't explain the loss of contrast in that area, other than possibly from light rusting that was successfully scrubbed away. Do you know if the barrels were ever rebrowned?

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Shrapnel,
My observation was meant to be a 'heads-up' - not a criticism.

I have collected Powell guns for over 20-years and have a significant collection. My
collecting focus is the 'lifter' (guns like yours) so I have a firm grasp on their quality.
My collection contains two 'pin holes' - unfortunately.

As to your stock, I believe the wood is original. I have a lifter with similar wood. There
is an easy way to possibly confirm its originality. Remove your right lock. During that
period (1870s), Powell's stockers would usually stamp their initials in the wood below
the front tip of the lock plate.

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Best policy on your forearms posted here: whatever "advice" Ed Good offers, just do the opposite and you'll be fine.
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I have a similar Powell s/n 4661 and in similar condition. Mine has had some re-blueing and has been nitro proved (by Powells).

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regarding old wood on old guns, i only know what i have seen..sorry it aint what you an udders wanna hear...

good luck, an keep your loads light and your screws tight...


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Originally Posted by ed good
well, if it is indeed 150 year old wood, then dont shoot it much, as the wood may begin to disentegrate...

You know not of what you speak.

The Lang record book says that my Joseph Lang with original wood was completed March 6, 1866 so it is now 157 years old. I quit counting cartridges shot in it several years ago and that was at 6,000 so it's now fired between 6,500 and 7,000. The wood is still fine and I'll continue shooting it until I pass it down to my grandson or granddaughter. And I suspect that one of them will be shooting when they reach my age of 74 and they are only 16 and 12.

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I took some pictures of the proof marks...



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