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Steel shot requirements for waterfowl hunting under the guise of being necessary to prevent the wholesale loss of ducks geese, etc. due to lead poisoning from ingestion, is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated on the hunting community, or the populace in general for that matter. But Roster's drivel along with a willing Federal bureaucracy and alarmist thinking got it rammed down our throats. It was never the threat it was accused of being. Sure, there were some places where extreme hunting pressure on public lands allowed lead to accumulate enough for a few waterfowl to pick up lead pellets in enough quantity to eventually kill a very small number, but not even a blip on the screen enough to matter. Lies and damned lies foisted by flawed data.
JR

I learned about lead shot in 1968, from a warden at Sauvie Island, outside of Portland. He talked about picking up hundreds of 'greenies', ducks dead or dying with their butts stained green from the undigested vegetation dribbling out the back because lead shot in their gizzards prevented digestion. A vast amount of research since then showed that ingested lead kills birds; free-flying condors in California are trapped annually and put through a chelation process, broadly similar to dialysis, to remove lead from their blood. They pick it up from gut piles or ground squirrels shot with .22's.

I have no idea if birds saved from lead poisoning outnumber crippling losses due to steel, but there is absolutely no question that lead shot in ponds kills waterfowl. Not all science which inconveniences us is a hoax or evil conspiracy - seen any mercury thermometer recently? If you want to disprove the science, start swallowing lead #8's and see how you feel in a year or two.

What a human could do to mimic the feeding habits of waterfowl re lead poisoning is a fool's errand, but you knew that. Condors are dead species flying that cannot be saved by govt. money. Wonder how many fly into wind turbines annually? Soft bottom marshes, sloughs, swamps, and almost all waterfowling areas allow lead to sink in deep enough to be non-threatening, hard bottom "ponds", not so much. Banning lead shot everywhere was gross overreach.
JR

That's in a nutshell. It was bad "science".

It's impossible to tell but I wish it could be known how many more thousands die each year from steel shot crippling than did from leaf pellet ingestion. After using steel for a number of years, and switching over totally to bismuth and other better non-tox, and seeing the difference in it first hand, it's my opinion that the number would be staggering. And, good as it is, bismuth still isn't nearly lethal as lead.

Do tell. From whence do you draw this grand decree? Any data? Any personal expertise? Any knowledge at all?

Or just more armchair bullshit, Stanley?

Put your facts on the line. Your experiments, samples, calculations. Lay it out.

You are blowing bullshit.

Do tell prof. Have you published any research on the topic, or still parroting acedemia armchair bs?

I've read the published research. Have you? I've listed many articles on this forum for you to read. Did you?

Thought not. Neither did Stanly

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https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=434182

We've been over this, congrats. Thought not, try thinking more.

that's the best you've got I guess. No data, no nothing. Just ignorance and arrogance.