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Thanks! I'll look into Del. I have a recommendation from a friend for a guy who is the gunsmith at Krieghoff too, hopefully one of them will have time! I might shoot it for a couple weeks as a single barrel before parting with it for another long spell. Not sure who to trust either- Bachelders had done a fantastic Damascus refinish for me in the last, but their false stories sure soured me on smiths. But interestingly, he confirmed the rumor that they had done the Damascus refinishing for Turnbull as many suspected. Had being rhe operative word

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I really like my Dad's old Ithaca 37 16 ga. I take it out sometimes and look at it. (for the uneducated and new here, this is a facetious example of RWTF's anecdotal thread hijacking posts.)
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+1 for Del Whitman. He did a great job putting a pre-Great War German SxS back on face.

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Originally Posted by Run With The Fox
Ooops- omitted Jeff and Brad's younger son, Parker--I believe, but am not 100% sure that Vintage Firearms head gunsmith is Kevin Duchene, former gunsmith with the now "gone with the wind" Gander Mountain operation in Grand Rapids. FWIWIP-- back in the day when Cabela's (pre-Bass-Ackwards-Blow Shop era) and Ganer Mt. were competitors in the pre-owned high end firearms market- Gander had one advantage in that market- ALL of their used firearms came with a one year warranty- and they all were checked over and test fired before put out on the racks for sale. Cabela's did NOT do this--apparently didn't think it was important-- oh well--- RWTF

Back in the day, Cabelas had a no questions asked return policy on used firearms. Obviously gone now with the Bass Pro merger, and I believe they may have changed it at some point prior to the merger.

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I have had very BAD experience with Vintage Firearms of Grand Rapids (Jay Shachter).

I sent a cased double shotgun to be on consignment for sale with them. There were no cracks in the forend wood when they received it. There was no correspondence by them or mention to me about any cracks or wood issues at any time.

They had my gun for over two years without selling it. I agreed to lower the price a couple times to generate interest.

When I requested return of the gun, I received an invoice for wood repairs along with being billed for expenses for them taking photos and listing on his website (which was never discussed previously) totaling just under $1000!

I paid the bill under protest with Jay just to get my gun returned.

When I received the gun, it's hard case was not included, only the gun alone. I called about it. They said they couldn't find it.

Beware if you consider doing any business with them.


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Originally Posted by dukxdog
I have had very BAD experience with Vintage Firearms of Grand Rapids (Jay Shachter).

I sent a cased double shotgun to be on consignment for sale with them. There were no cracks in the forend wood when they received it. There was no correspondence by them or mention to me about any cracks or wood issues at any time.

They had my gun for over two years without selling it. I agreed to lower the price a couple times to generate interest.

When I requested return of the gun, I received an invoice for wood repairs along with being billed for expenses for them taking photos and listing on his website (which was never discussed previously) totaling just under $1000!

I paid the bill under protest with Jay just to get my gun returned.

When I received the gun, it's hard case was not included, only the gun alone. I called about it. They said they couldn't find it.

Beware if you consider doing any business with them.

Wow.
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yah see, this is why threads like this are so inappropriate...

we go along nicely for ah while until some malcontent cant stand hit no mo an jes has to throw a bomb...

the story makes vintage firearms sound like a bunch of incompetent, irresponsible fools...which they are not...

what a terrible misuse of this fine forum...

the old adage still applies...if you aint got nuttin nice to say bout someone, den jes dont say nuttin...

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Originally Posted by ed good
yah see, this is why threads like this are so inappropriate...

we go aong nicely for ah while until some malcontent cant stand hit no mo an jes has to throw a bomb...

the story makes vintage firearms sound like a buch of incompetent, irresponsible fools...which they are not...

what a terrible misuse of this fine forum...

Your post makes dukxdog (Bobby) seem like a malcontent-which, he is not.

Not every dealer is s a Saint, ed.

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ted, neva said every dealer was a saint...

nor is this the appropriate place to air ones grievances...

bad mouthin someone here is such a cheap shot...

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Originally Posted by ed good
ted, neva said every dealer was a saint...

nor is this the appropriate place to air ones grievances...

bad mouthin someone here is such a cheap shot...

This is a double gun forum, ed. It is a site for the sharing of information related to double guns. It is not a glossy catalog of your, or anyone else’s wares that are to not be questioned.

Bobby has a lot of friends that speak very highly of him. I’m not on that long list, but, I could be, I suppose. Still, I don’t doubt a word he has posted. It is only a cheap shot if it isn’t true, ed. I know dealers that operate exactly as Bobby described.

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