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Push forward set triggers are not Germanic style, and this rifle was clearly rebuilt in the Good Ol' USA. Thoughts on possible maker? Newton-ish? These are the best pictures from the auction, they had no close up of the trigger assembly.
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I cannot say but I will comment that the "Buffalo Newtons" reversed triggers were much coarser...almost like stamped parts.
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It is hard to see from the pictures, I have a similar set of triggers on a rifle from that period. Oddly enough, they don't function like your classical set trigger, on my rifle the rear trigger has a crisp pull with no creep, pushing the front trigger forward turns the rear trigger into what feels like a two-stage military type trigger.
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It is hard to see from the pictures, I have a similar set of triggers on a rifle from that period. Oddly enough, they don't function like your classical set trigger, on my rifle the rear trigger has a crisp pull with no creep, pushing the front trigger forward turns the rear trigger into what feels like a two-stage military type trigger. Interesting, Pull the action and share a pic of the trigger group and sear.
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Newton had some of his rifles made on contract in Germany on 98 actions. Some of those had the reverse facing front trigger in the DST style as shown. The German made rifles had the much nicer made triggers with trim profiles. The US made Newton reverse style DST used on the 2nd Model Newton rifle have the very heavy profile triggers as mentioned above. The US made (Buffalo, NY made or 1st Model Newtons) with the standard looking DST system (both triggers facing forward) have trim profiles as well. They are coil spring powered. I'd guess that the trigger on the rifle is German and the style Newton ordered for his rifles. Newton ordered commercial Mauser 98 actions to be used AFAIK. Added Scroll down a ways in this link and there is a pic of the 2 different US built Newtons and one of a German made Newton. The latter has the style of DST in question. https://revivaler.com/newton-rifle-256-newton/Added More... I didn't think nor wish to imply that the rifle in question was Newton built/mfg. I thought the triggers were German and still do by their appearance of the ones used and recv'd by Newton from Germany on those contract rifles.
Last edited by Kutter; 02/06/23 03:51 PM. Reason: added info and link
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To be clear, I do not believe this is a Newton rifle or uses any Newton parts, just that the triggers look "Newton-ish"
Hope to pick up the rifle from the auction in the next day or two. I impulse bid on it, just to examine the trigger set up.
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Could they be pre-war Pacific double sets? I have them on a Krag varmint rifle, operation is by pushing the front trigger forward to set the rear trigger. Kind of hard to see but there they are. (Pacific made a lot more stuff than just sights and loading tools. The grip cap and butt plate on this rifle, both made of aluminum, are from Pacific also.) Rifle is a .22 Maximum Lovell, built by Hervey Lovell, borrowed rifle rest and all.
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(Pacific made a lot more stuff than just sights and loading tools. The grip cap and butt plate on this rifle, both made of aluminum, are from Pacific also.) Will see if it is marked when I get it apart. The grand era of rifle building. I own or have owned rifles by: LE Wilson Brownells Paul Jaeger PO Ackley Flaigs These are gunsmiths who also made parts and pieces for the trade. Have just as many rifles of similar quality whose makers are lost to the fog of time. This isn't the first rifle I have bought for a single part. Original Neidner butttplates are hard to find and expensive when you do. Buy rifle, remove plate, fit pad, sell rifle.... If the rifle is good quality, I will leave it alone. And I picked up a half a dozen of these (NoS) at an auction last year.
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Rifle in hand. Driving home, so no pics yet.
"Traditional" double set in that front teigger sets the rear for a lighter pull.
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I'm lost. Where is it "traditional" that the front trigger sets the rear? Oh, I see. Pushing the reversed front trigger forward sets the rear. Still not sure I'd call that traditional, maybe just "normal" for a reversed front trigger.
Last edited by HalfaDouble; 02/06/23 05:46 PM.
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