doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com A grade Syracuse

I have a A grade Syracuse shotgun, recently acquired, that has an SST. I know a little about and have a friend who wrote the book on Syracuse, Hollenbeck and other iterations. I would like to post a picture of the SST action to see if any of you folks might recognize the SST and be able to tell me something about it. I don't know how to post the picture, can someone assist me?

You can email it to me, and I’ll get it up for you.

tedjs@usfamily.net

Best,
Ted

Some photos from Carl:




upload pictures to internet

I will freely admit I am no help at all on this one, Carl. Not in my wheelhouse.

Best,
Ted

What on earth is that knurled knob for? Can't imagine...
JR

The knurled knob slides forward and back and works as the selector for what barrel fires first.
What I'm trying to discover through all your guys collective research and knowledge, is whether this is a known SST system that possibly Syracuse tried to incorporate it into a marketable SST gun.

They weren’t going for subtle, or, indiscreet, were they?

Prototype might be an idea, just to demonstrate the workings for a patent.

Best,
Ted

I'm thinking prototype, oh and the fact that it's a pigeon gun is a plus too.

What’s the rest of the gun like?

Very nice, Barrels are high grade Damascus, bores are great, stock and forend are very nice, receiver is nicely engraved. Very clean gun but not known to have ever been offered in SST.
Need help in identifying the single trigger maker if possible?

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=61324

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/958284255

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1258844/

Is the buttstock original?
Graded Syracuse guns have a very distinct grip.

Yup, that's my gun.
Going through all the notes on the thread you sent me, no real conclusions were reached.
My feeling, at the base level is that it was intended to be a live bird gun and that possibly a prototype SST?
My mission, through Tom's help is to make it as right as possible, just cause I love Syracuse guns.
Please keep posting on anything that comes to mind, I continue to look for any and all input.

Information I have and what I observe is that it is not an original stock, the forend looks authentic, but not the stock.

The Tobin Simplex was offered with a single selective trigger, and it had the selector ahead of the trigger which moved fore and aft. It was a slightly domed screw head that was checkered.



An early E.D. Fulford single selective trigger patent shows such a selector.

Thanks Researcher, that is very similar and although slightly different than my knurled knob, who's to say the mechanism inside isn't the same inside.
Because of the slot, was it removable by unscrewing it? How did you remove the trigger guard without somehow removing the screw. I have tried to unscrew mine and have had no luck and am reluctant to force it.

Thanks Carl. It looked like a knob that you would turn.
JR

Following up on the Syracuse question I originally pose, I have additional information that still requires some help. It seems the two Parker Bros left Baker shotgun co. in 1893 and briefly went to work for Syracuse. They applied for a single trigger patent 857859 about that time. I don't know how to research for an old patent, do any of you folks know how? I would love to see what it looks like and compare it to the single trigger on my Syracuse?

U.S. Patent Mo. 857859 is for a Brick Truck granted to George Barney of Leesville, Louisiana, on June 25, 1907.

Robert Chambers listed early single trigger patents here. 857859 is a much later patent number. It could have been the application number.
https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=66775&page=1

A friend of mine and gunsmith, took the single trigger off my Syracuse. It was held in place by a small screw within the single trigger mechanism and once removed, allowed the trigger guard to be removed.
I am in the process of changing the existing stock to an english stock and replacing the trigger guard (which was not original to the gun and not even made by Syracuse), with a factory Syracuse guard that will be lengthened to fit the english stock. Having said all that, anyone with ideas and or additional information, please pass it on?
Thank you all.