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Correction: That is a >>Reproof<< in 1935.


Serbus,

Raimey
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Too, those Sauer lists are just approximate guess of when a Serial number was issued to a piece of metal. There are 2 or 3 of them.

Serbus,

Raimey
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Too, I just do not know where Ford is. He should be adding his wisdom by now??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I did not have internet access yesterday and couldn't weigh in. Since the rifle is marked for bore diameter with gauge measurement, it was proofed under the 1891 effective Mar. 1893), before the 1911 improvements. The S&B .366 193 grain bullet is fine to use for a jacketed bullet. I believe the 250grain .358 bullet is made for larger 35 caliber rifles and I wouldn't consider them appropriate. If the bore diameter had been marked as 118.35, I would consider the 200 grain RN, or the new Flex Tip bullet made for 35 Remington as being acceptable. I don't think the S.5 powder is the same s R.5. I use H 4895 to substitute for R.5 instead of VN 140, only because I have a quantity available. With either powder (or other similar powder), it is essential to reduce the charge weight by 10% and work up watching for pressure signs and velocity. For cast bullets traditional cast bullet powders should be used instead of those mentioned above. Cast bullets intended for 9.3 or 38-55 should be useable if they will fit easily inside the neck of a fired/unsized case. Diameters, of course, can be adjusted by sizing. Ed Harris' "The Load" of 13 grains of Red Dot with appropriate bullets is often used, as are 12 Grains+ of Unique or an appropriate amount of 4198 or 5744. You should be able to use 38-55 data as a guide.
Mike

Thank you!
Are you aware of this hollow point bullet?.386 is čase diameter.

The loads I have used in my various Husqvarna 9.3x57R (360) rifles (Mod 33 rolling blocks and a Cape) are 14.5 grains of 4227 with a 175 grain lead bullet and 17.5 grains with a 196 grain lead bullet; 13.5 grains of 4759 with the 196; 17.5 grains of 5744 with a 196; 18 grains of 4198 with the 196; 21 grains or Reloader 7 with the 196. These were in the 1250 fps range except the 4198 was closer to 1350. I checked the back records on a couple of the 9.3x72R rifles I've had and found hunting loads of 40 to 42 grains of 3031 with the 200 grain Norma soft jacketed bullet. I have a small supply of the Norma and the 193 grain DWM bullets set aside and I haven't tried them in the Husqvarnas.

Im going to buy this cartridges, I'll run them through chrono. Guy has some cases for sale as well but they are 360 D? and primers are larger, is it possible to get these primers and reload. Are they going to be ok in 360 E chamber?

Thank you! Thats some data! What lead bullets have you used exactly, do they have a grooves? Do you have a picture or site where can I find them? And what was a diameter of these bullets please.

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The primers appear to be the Berdan M71, 6.45 (.245"). I don't remember the RWS number off the top of my head, but they can be identified by their diameter. I tried to locate a source for when my supply is exhausted but to no avail. Whether you buy the cases or not is up to you, even if not commercially available there is always the chance of finding some in an estate or on Ebay. If they are fired cases, you should determine if they were primed with mercuric primers. The German Sinoxide primers were non-mercuric pretty early, but I don't know about the others. If you can translate the text on the box, it should inform you. If you can buy some original ammo at a price you can afford, you should buy some. Their actual velocity (not advertised velocity) will be valuable information to judge your handloads by.
Mike

They were from www.accuratemolds.com, catalog page 10, numbers 37-175C and 37-196B. They cast at .368 and I size to .367.