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My experience with choke constriction was the opposite of the results that Hugh Lomas had. Two examples are a 30" common Sterlingworth with .042 and .044 chokes that threw great killing patterns out to 60 yards with #4 lead. No, I didn't throw those pattern sheets in the fire. My 10 gauge lightweight AYA with chokes in the mid forties also threw great patterns to 60 yards with big steel shot. My scale is not digital, but a Fairbanks feed scale that is checked for accuracy with its own balance weights. Foolproof for accuracy. A friend and shooting buddy has a short ten Francotte, but i don't know its weight. However, I do own a short ten Lefever that weighs exactly 7 1/4 pounds, and a Sauer 26" short ten that weighs exactly 6 1/4 pounds. Although both are fluid steel, original guns in good condition, I limit my 10 gauge loads to 1 1/8 ounces or light 12 gauge shells shot with chamber inserts.
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Stanton, the ratio was an accommodation to the difference in density of steel and lead. I believe the balance of choke to parallel was as a result of research done by W.W.Greener. Having said that the only Greener "Far Killer"i worked on had long taper chokes with no parallel at all. Similarly an original Stephen Grant I worked on had only taper chokes and threw very dense patterns. Regarding Eightbores observations I can only attribute his good fortune to just another of the vagaries of choke. As they say your mileage may vary.
Hugh Lomas,
H.G.Lomas Gunmakers Inc.
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I'd like to own and shoot one of these Ithaca NID 10 magnums, but feeding one bismuth, like I use in my L.C. Smith 12 Ideal Longrange might be a tad expensive. This Fall season, if I used the LONGRANGE and on the farm ponds where we get Mallards along with Canadas, I use a 2&3/4" Bismuth load in the right hand barrel, and a 3" Mag Bismuth load in the left hand barrel. Both tubes are Full choke, and when I center a bird, it folds up like a cheap cardboard suitcase in a hailstorm. Dead Bang.. RWTF
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Sold my 10 gauge Darne R-16. But I've kept a Lefever C 10 gauge thumb-push with 2-7/8" chambers. The gun has two barrels, but weighs 8 lbs or more no matter which set of barrels is attached. Bought a number of Federal primed 10 gauge 3-inch hulls and cut them down. Also use Longshot and load with either 1-1/4 oz of #2 Bismuth or Nice shot. Shoot geese across Chesapeake Bay near Chestertown, MD on the Atlantic flyway. No more ducks there anymore, unfortunately. Best of the Season, Tim ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/R6vlgzQl.jpg)
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ROMAC that's a beautiful Francotte. Do you know the weight? I have a true love of Francotte shotguns.
From memory, it is just under 8 pounds.
I'll have to pull it out and weigh it this weekend.
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I just had the chance to weigh it.
7 pounds, 11.4 ounces.
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I just had the chance to weigh it.
7 pounds, 11.4 ounces. Wow! I don't think I'd like to try many 1 5/8 oz. loads in that one!
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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How many loads do you shoot at geese stan???
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Got a new to me Ithaca NID Grade 3, 2 7/8", 32" gun. This will be my first season with it. Have close to 100 reloaded plastic hulls on hand, loaded with 1 1/4 oz. bismuth 4s, at 1200 fps. I intend to work towards loading some with heavier charges of bismuth, and Nice shot, as time allows. These particular guns were designed to shoot a 1 5/8 oz. lead load, and I want to duplicate it with non-tox as nearly as possible. Probably will require using card wads instead of plastic shot cups. I don't think the SP10 wad will "allow" that much bismuth. Will experiment with the Versalite wads to see what they will handle. ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/70517_800x600.jpg) Nice! Good replacement for that LC Smith! Yes, I know you sent he LC down the road a few years ago.
Mike
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Thanks, Mike. And, I thought you'd remember that.
How long ago has that been, when you contacted me and helped me get that Smith? 17.....18 years?
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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How many loads do you shoot at geese stan??? Maybe five percent of my water fowling in total. I do, however, want to have some 1 5/8 oz. loads ready for the "tall ones", or for pass shooting ............. ducks, that is.
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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