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Thank you, Stan. No, Guy Davies, their fellow at the H&H store in Dallas handled it for me. Guy used to run their NYC store for a while before moving to Dallas 20 or more years ago. Really nice guy.
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For reference:
Jostam HyGun - 7.1 oz.
Hawkins Repro Straight slots - 7.2 oz.
Hawkins Repro Trestle (hearts) - 5.7 oz.
Hawkins Original Trestle (hearts) - 5.5 0z.
Jostam No-Kick Coming - 3.7 oz.
Leather Kick Killer Lace-on (Large) 4.8 oz.
I have several Silver brand pads on hand but haven't weighed any of them yet.
Note that these are out-of-box weights and that much of it will be lost due to grinding down to fit.
IMO, anyone who worries over changing the balance significantly by adding a properly fitted pad needs a shrink, and shooting lessons, and is likely a trapshooter. Perhaps I am a little balance obsessive. That said, Testing with my Holts gun balance adding 1/2 ounce to the butt of my gun it moves CoB 1/10 of an inch. The pad I removed from that gun after I brought it, weighs 4.7 oz. It’s replacement roughly 1.6 oz. So reducing the pad weight on the gun by more than 3 ounces moved the CoB more than 1/2 inch. On a gun that was muzzle light because of cut barrels it moved the CoB to about where it was when new, when compared against the maker’s records. I could feel the difference.
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OC, I don't argue that it changes things, a tiny bit. But, if you shoot the guns as much as you should your muscle memory takes over and it becomes non ipsum amet.
If I'm wrong, how can one explain "first times' a charm", when you shoot a gun for the first time and can't miss.
IMO, if you're obsessing over that minute a difference you're never going to shoot your best.
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flatlanders dont seem to appreciate the importance of gun balance and weight...
are there any other old time mountain hunters left here...if so, you know how a gun becomes heavier in the afternoon, after spending a morning hiking up an down the ridges, in pursuit of "old ruff"...where quick, instinctive snap shooting is the norm...no time to think about it...no leads here...its a game of point and shoot...either you are on the bird or you are not...with a light, balanced gun in your hands, you have a chance at hitting 'ruffus grousus rocketanus...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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flatlanders dont seem to appreciate the importance of gun balance and weight... You're gonna try condescension now, eh? Well, maybe you never heard of walking through briar patches and plum thickets for wild bobwhite all day, or the thick swampy tangles that woodcock often prefer here. There are other obstacles besides elevation that can tire a man. However, it is my opinion that most men today are not the men that their grandads and uncles were, physically. The preferred gun of choice down around here when I was growing up was an A5 Browning Sweet Sixteen ......... not exactly a light weight wand. And, they wouldn't dare make the excuse, for missing a shot on a flush, that their gun was imbalanced or too heavy. Blame everything but yourself, eddy. That's your way.
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"ruffus grousus rocket-anus"?? So, you mean a partridge with a bottle rocket up its ass?"" Interesting indeed. RWTF
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I like the repo Noshoc Galazan had. Or use to. Just for adding length.
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and then there are light weight slip on leather pads... https://www.orvis.com/leather-recoi...4577541788648911&utm_content=Huntingthey are handy for early season use, when it is warm and one can be comfortable wearing just a tee shirt and safety vest...later on, when it gets cold and one wears more clothing, then, the slip on pad is put away until next fall...grouse guns are about length of pull, weight, balance and magic...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Stanton, I see your point. I know guys who can shoot a round of skeet with a 28in M101 then switch to someone’s 24in Citori upland special and get equally good scores. My Dad could do stuff like that. I am not that guy, never will be.
Your ability to tolerate the variables and hit does you credit.
I agree with you that I am obsessive about balance, and much much more than is worth listing now.
That said when I go down a gun table and lift six or twelve different guns to shoulder when I feel what I like, experience has shown me I will shoot it well.
Once I started messing with fit it really changed my shooting for the better.
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Once I started messing with fit it really changed my shooting for the better. Amen, brother. Proper fit is huge. An ounce here or there, not so much ....... for me. Shoot well, my friend.
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