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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
I thought it was common knowledge that Princess Grace was the reason for the pigeon shoots at Monaco being stopped. Just another example of a man allowing a new wife to exert too much influence. I could say more on this, but will refrain.


Just a sidenote on all those who are against us and just like current legislation where if the opposition takes one item away, they always, ALWAYS(as history has repeatedly demonstrated) return to delete something else from our lifestyle, Duck hunting in Argentina has been closed for the last month of the season. Environmental activist, for want of a better term, convinced the government that too many ducks were being slaughtered, so the government closed the season. And the probability is pretty high that Duck hunting will be closed for good in Argentina. The farmers care nothing from the Duck hunting, but they do get monies from Dove Hunters, so that will more than likely survive. I'll be glad to construct a lone thread just for the topic if anyone has interest. Not a political, etc. type thread, but just informational.

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Strange, as Grace Kelly came from Philadelphia, her father was a bricklayer- and the live bird shoots at the elusive Philadelphia Gun Club may have been the impetus of her wanting to see that "cruel sporting event" shitcanned. Well she got her wish, indirectly confirming my Grandfather's firm believe that "Women have no business in the things men enjoy--shooting pool, pheasants, playing poker and especially- politics-- Kinder, Kuchen und Kirch!!! RWTF


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Per Bob Allen…

“Curiously, one of the traditional championship pigeon shooting places seems likely soon to stop the sport. Prince Ranier of Monaco has asked that the sport, introduced by his gun- enthusiast ancestor, Prince Charles 111, be halted as a "wedding present" from Greek financier Aristoteles Socrates Onassis who controls the casino of Monte Carlo. Prince Charles began live-bird shooting at Monte Carlo”


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Originally Posted by ClapperZapper
...... Aristoteles Socrates Onassis ......

What a millstone to be hung around one's neck???


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I doubt Onassis filled out many computer forms. Lol.

He bankrolled the casino. Seems to have held controlling interest.

Upon further reading, it sounds like Onassis was at odds with Prince Ranier. Monaco diluted his shares in the casino in the early 1960s down to 33%. and then brought him out for a huge profit shortly there after.

Ranier wanted Monaco to be accessible to all, and Onassis preferred only the rich.

Weird dynamic, but a sign of the times, post WWll.

I wonder where the Grace Kelley story got started?

I find the Prince vs Onassis story more understandable.
What monarch would want him as his partner?

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But it sounds so crazy to call him >> Father of Logic<< >>Father of Western Ideas<< Onassis....... I guess one had to be crazy to accomplish what he did. His name covered all bases with Onassis being the money component.

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re: identifying guns used. From c. 1895 - about 1902 most of the U.S. sporting magazines included the guns, powder and shells used by competitors. Thereafter, figuring out the guns used depends on finding advertisements connecting the shooter with the gun

Walter Ewing (individual Gold) and George Beattie (individual Silver) at the 1908 Olympic Games

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Ewing's gun then confirmed with an ad

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Why would onassis stop a huge part of the gambling revenue he would have cut his own income mabey that's how his share was diluted

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There was criticism of Live Bird shooting in the British press even in the 1880s

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After the 1900 Olympic Games

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"The Bystander" 1909

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I can see the reporters chewing a steak and lamenting the poor pigeons how barbaric. hurumph

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