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There is a grade 6 ithaca flues pigeon gun for sale on gunsinternatonal

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Mark,
the Ithaca Flues Pigeon Gun is very cool, but why a moose on the trigger guard??

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A good summary of guns (and loads) used for Live Birds in the U.S. is here, with the competitors using them
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D8QkBDo-KIQYk2G8lkE-kHLUybB5NJzBahX_eFKEyuY/edit

March 2, 1894 Riverton vs. Carteret
Fred Hoey - Purdey, 7# 8 oz.
Charles Macalester - Purdey, 7# 5 oz.
Capt. A.W. Money - Greener, 7# 8 oz.
George Work - Purdey, 7# 8 oz.
Edgar Murphy - Parker, 7# 6 oz.
T.S. Dando - Parker, 7# 6 oz.
H.Y. Dolan - Scott, 7# 8 oz.
R.A. Welsh - Churchill, 7# 9 oz.
Guns were limited to 8# and the loads mostly 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/4 - 3 3/4 Dr.Eq. - ouch!

Prior to 1895 the choices were mostly Scott and Greener, with a few Purdey, Smith, and Parker
In 1895, Mr. Will K. Park, Gun Editor for Sporting Life began to aggressively promote American maker's guns in a series of editorials and then Smith and Parker were dominant, with some using Lefever.

Guns, loads and shooters at the 1895 DuPont Live Bird Tournament

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Awesome link & it is going to take some time to sift thru it, but in skimmin' I notice that Charles Daly's wares start to show circa 1900. Any indication prior to that?

Were any of the prizes/purses as grande in the U.S. of A. as in Monte Carlo?

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Good thread regarding pay-out for turn-of-the-century Pigeon shoots
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/historic-25-000-pigeon-shoots.641985/

A match in Glendale Park, (Long Island) N.Y., in the 1880’s attracted more than 600 shooters and 30,000 spectators in one day alone. A 1898 shooting festival at that same location offered $25,000 in cash prizes. $25,000 then would be about $850,000 today

April 26, 1886 Sporting Life
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/21840/rec/1
The prospectus of the second annual tournament of the Chamberlain Cartridge Company, of Cleveland, is out. It offers $3,000 in prizes, and the money is peculiarly divided. Twelve hundred dollars in three prizes goes to the class with scores over 90, $1,000 to the 80 class, and $800 to the 70 class. All ties will be shot off in Cleveland, beginning Sept. 14, at 100 “Blue Rocks”.
The contest is open, as was last season's, from April 1 to August 31, and all scores must be made at 100 Blue Rocks, Peoria Blackbirds, American clays, or Ligowsky clays.

Outing, May 2, 1886
The grounds of the Carteret Gun Club at Bergen Point, N.J., were on March 29 the scene of one of the most interesting contests at pigeon shooting of the season, the match in question being that between Mr. C. Floyd Jones, of the Carteret Club, and the well-known Irish shot “Mr. Fredericks,” of the Westminster Kennel Club. The weather was unfavorable for enjoyable sport, and as a northeaster prevailed and sent the birds from the traps lively to the left, the result was that very skillful work was necessary to obtain a good record.
The match was for $1,000, at 100 birds, 28 yards rise, from five traps, with 50 yards boundary. The result of the match was the success of Mr. Floyd Jones, who
killed 90 out of his hundred, while “Mr. Fredericks” only killed 82 out of his hundred.
The guns used were a Scott hammerless, by Floyd Jones, weighing 7 3/4 pounds, with 4 drams of Wood powder behind 1 1/4 ounces of No. 7 shot. “Mr. Fredericks” used an underlever hammer gun, by Turner, that weighed 7 1/4 pounds, with No. 7 shot, in cartridges loaded by Purdey, of London, 3 1/2 drams of black powder behind 1 1/4 ounces of shot.

$1000 in 1885 would be about $30,000 today.

After the 1901 Anglo-American Match, J.A.R.Elliott went to Belgium and joined R.A. Welch competing in a series of pigeon matches, winning 1000 francs in one match. The purse in Namur was $40,000 = >$1,000,000 today

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Hause:

Were there any Pigeon Ring destinations in Cuba or had the Sport of Kings fell out of favour by the time Cuba rose to be a travel destination?


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A year or so ago I was watching a documentary on Hemmingway and one of the old film clips showed Papa and his son at a pigeon ring there.

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Oh, Great answer as I thought Papa may have been there. François Reynard will be please to read that.


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Hemingway with an O/U, Martha Gellhorn, and Elicio Arguelles, 1942

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Hemingway and Homer Clark 2-1946

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Hemingway Club de Cazadores del Cerro, Rancho Boyeros, Cuba, 50s, with his W&C Scott & Son.
https://gardenandgun.com/articles/hemingways-suicide-gun/

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He also used a Model 12 at the ring. Using the trap field and shooting from the middle station at ? 19 yards

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I couldn't find anything about Hemingway shooting in Monte Carlo, but don't have Hemingway's Guns: The Sporting Arms of Ernest Hemingway
Steve Helsley should know
There is a suggestion in this long essay that Hemingway shot pigeons in Madrid, but I couldn't find any images
https://albavolunteer.org/2016/06/t...est-hemingway-and-the-spanish-civil-war/

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Raimey: none of the Sporting Life reports include the guns used, except the 1908 Grand Prix de Monte Carlo
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/33677/rec/39
Count Czernin (Austria) used a Springer of Vienna

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