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Most Correct. All of the Austrians should have donned/wielded a Springer in a Nationalistic stance.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Great effort though. I am so consumed with Pigeon shooting as it is soooooo intoxicating. But just once to travel back in time to step in the Ring on the Big Stage, wielding one of those wands would be the opportunity of ages.


Hause:

Can you do a cost comparison to todays $s on the guns that you do know that they used?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Mostly our domestic production
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1OTND2bQH0vhlbCf7c2sN8H1vzmT7xagUSXhewGB03SE

1895 Montgomery Ward & Co. Catalogue
Damascus Greener Facile Princeps “made especially to our order for trap shooting” - $100
Chas. Daly Hammerless No. 120 - $100
Smith Pigeon Grade without AE - $100
Greener No. 3 Ejector - $210
Parker DH - $100 list but sold for $72.
In 1895, the highest grade Parker Bros. AAHE “Pigeon Model” was $400 list; the Smith A2 $365 and A3 AE was $740.

1897 Sears catalog
Daly
150AE..........$129
250AE..........$190
Greener
No. 3AE..............$187.50
Facile Princeps.....$93.75
No. 6 Forester......$69.95

1906 William Read & Sons Catalogue
“Highest Quality” Westley Richards with single trigger - $595
W.W. Greener G70 “Imperial” - $500
W&C Scott “Premier” - $375
W&C Scott “Imperial Premier” - price on application
Purdey - 89 pounds 5 shillings sterling - about $446
Joseph Lang & Son “Highest Quality” sidelock ejector - 65 guineas
Parker Bros. AAHE - net price of $318.75
Lefever Optimus - $280
Remington Special - $750 = about $25,000 today

L.C. Smith Monogram AE - $365
L.C. Smith A-2 - $390
L.C. Smith A-3 - $740

Prices fell after "The Panic of 1907"

Many thanks. So would be the value of $100 Daly at the time in today's $s?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The only Olympic Champion in Pigeon Shooting: Roger de Barbarin of France. Olympic Champion 1900 Paris, France.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

And even happier when this gent corrects his post re: The correct spelling of his surname- it is Hemingway, NOT Hemmingway. He first shot for money and prizes in Europe circa 1931- and won his Browning Superposed 12 bore-- 28" barrels, ventilated rib, double triggers, choked M&F--But Ernest shot and won that prize with his "Numero Uno" escopeta- a 1928 mfg. field grade M12 full choke, solid rib barrel-- later on, when he became the "Rey Del Mundo Escritor" and had some bucks (mainly due to wife No. 2- Pauline Pfeiffer- he started to accumulate other quality guns, mostly used but well cared for, and in 12 gauge. He was a solid customer of A&F-- some of his known firearms still exist today. El Zorro

Raimey: that is Roger de Barbarin of France who won the Clay trap shooting (Ball-trap) Tir au Fusil de Chasse demonstration at the 1900 Paris Olympics

From left: Roger de Barbarin, France, Gold; René Guyot, Belgium, Silver; and Count Clary Justinien, France, Bronze.
The three tied at 17x20. How the shoot-off was conducted is unknown.



There were 2 Live Bird events:

A preliminary miss and out “Grand Prix de Centenaire”, Tir aux pigeons
1. MacKintosh, Donald (Australia) 22/22 pigeons
2. Villaviciosa, Pedro Marquis de (Spain) 21/22 pigeons
3. Murphy, Edgar (USA) 19/20 pigeons

Edgar Murphy, U.S., Bronze; Donald Mackintosh, Australia, Gold; Pedro José Pidal, Spain, Silver.



Pedro Pidal y Bernaldo de Quirós, the first Marquis de Villaviciosa de Asturias, was a well-known European shooter of that period. He won at least five Spanish championships. Several months prior to the 1900 Olympics, using the pseudonym “Count O’Brien”, Pidal won the Grand Prix de Monte Carlo against Donald MacKintosh (AUS) and Crittenden Robinson (USA) among others in the field of 98 shooters


Grand Prix de l’Exposition Universelle de 1900 Tir aux pigeons
This appears to have been the more important event and was likely the one considered to be of “Olympic standards.” In addition, most of the “Olympic” events carried the title of an event “…de l’Exposition.”
1. Lunden, Léon de (Belgium) 21 pigeons of 21
2. Faure’, Maurice (France) 20 pigeons of 21
3. MacKintosh, Donald (Australia) 18 pigeons of 19

Grand Prix de l’Exposition au Tir aux Pigeons, Cercle du Bois de Boulogne
Maurice Faure’, Léon de Lunden, Donald Mackintosh (with a Greener hammer gun)




More here about 1/3 way down
https://docs.google.com/document/d/185YOyQl7GIB9OYLs9Hr3tnMLHqs4rjEdR4j_E9l4HLw/edit

http://austrap.com.au/?page_id=356

https://ictsa.ie/results
(In 1900) Donald Mackintosh was travelling around the Continent on a circuit that embraced France, Belgium, Spain, and Italy. In some ways, he was unusual for a sportsman, in that he was an educated man who wrote poetry, but the most astonishing fact about him was that he was completely blind in the left eye.
That June, accompanied by his wife, he happened to be in Paris for the Paris Exhibition pigeon shooting. Earlier on the same tour he had been successful in the Grand Prix du Casino at Monte Carlo, one of the most prestigious events of all.
Mackintosh was, in a sense, a casualty of the confusion that marred the Paris Games. Acclaimed in his prime as the finest shot in the world, he went to Paris for a day of live pigeon shooting organised by the Paris Exhibition for June 25. Like many competitors in an assortment of sports, he did not realise that he was involved in the Olympic Games. He won one event, the Prix Centenaire de Paris, and tied for third in another, the Grand Prix de l'Exposition.
In both events Mackintosh shot at live birds, killing 22 pigeons from 22 shots for his victory and 18 pigeons for his third place. He collected more than 7500 francs (£300) and a medal to add to his vast assembly of trophies, and headed off to shoot in other parts of the Continent.



His store in Melbourne

Thanks Drew as I'll make that correction..


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Is it listed anywhere on this thread what the two, Roger de Barbarin, France, & René Guyot Belgium, were shooting?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse