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I've heard the terms side lock and box lock. But don't have any real understanding of them. This is the first double barrel I have ever had anything to do with.

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Sure looks like it has a relationship with the Hopkins & Allen --

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Some of the H & A examples have the hammer pin extending through the side plate and on others the side plate covers the end of the hammer pin like the IJ.

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That does look a lot like it, doesn't it? How old is that one estimated to be?

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Originally Posted by old guy
I've heard the terms side lock and box lock. But don't have any real understanding of them. This is the first double barrel I have ever had anything to do with.

On a sidelock the lock mechanism is mounted on the plate as in the L.C. Smith, Baker, Crescent or Meriden --

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In a boxlock, the lock mechanism, hammer, sear, mainspring and sear spring are mounted in the frame as in the New Ithaca Double --

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That clears things up quite a bit. Thanks

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1914 write-up re: the sideplate IJ
https://books.google.com/books?id=tpY7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1062&lpg

The sideplated IJ had monobloc barrels and were marked 'Hercules Smokeless' on the rib, with the W.O. Barnes patents March-16-1915 (No. 1,142,934 for the floor plate action) and April-27-1915 (No. 1,137,045) for the lock-up)

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Some 1892 Ptd. Pieper Eclipse Gun Co. barrels were marked 'Hercules Compressed Steel'
From L' Armureire Liegeoise W.J. Jeffery & Co. c. 1904-1914 sourced "Herakles (Hercules) Compound Gun Barrel Steel" from Canons Delcour

It may be the IJ 'Hercules' refers to the barrel source?

The Hercules Grade was not introduced until 1924 and so marked on the L barrel

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There is an old post from several years ago that has some info on the H&A and Iver Johnson sideplated doubles. As I remember, Mary Johnson (Iver Johnson's widow) bought patent rights to the H&A sideplated double (Model 110) in 1914-15ish. H&A introduded a "new" sideplated double (Model 210) in the 1914 Late Catalog. H&A was very short lived from that point forward. I have witnessed very few of the Iver Johnson side plated examples. W.H. Davenport worked for H&A for many years. Davenport also mfg'd a similar Sideplated double of his own Company.

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Only picture of the W.H. Davenport hammerless double I've been able to come up with --

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