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I inherited a very interesting gun. It is a German Drilling. It is a double barrel 16 gauge shotgun over a rifle (30 cal.?). It has a thumb operated “flip-up” sight for targeting. It has a lot of detailed engraving. Its serial number is #2899. The visible markings are: Hilmer Fox E1, I thought, which now is actually Hilmar Folker, I think. Possneck Nitro 87mm KO U H1G 72 There are more markings in the pictures with several German Proof marks, again, I think. I am no photographer, but I am trying to post some photos of the gun and its markings. Maybe by email??? Can you help me with any information about this gun or know someone that I should contact? Thank you. Carter Hubbard
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Forward the images to me & I'll gladly try to post them for you.
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Carhub48, Picking through the numbers and letters you cite, I suspect when Raimey is able to post the photos, we will find the drilling is chambered for 9.3x72R proofed for a copper jacketed bullet(K m G). A common marking for the bore( not groove or bullet) diameter for 9.3x72R rifles is 8,7mm ( Germans used a , where we would use a .). With markings like this, the drilling would have been proofed after 1911. Once Raimey has clear photos, either he or I or other members will be able to offer additional or better information. Mike
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That would be Hilmar Föckel in Pößneck in Thüringen, Waffenhandlung.
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Raimey, where do I get your email address to forward you the pictures?
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9,3X72R jpgbox is down so I will try the above hosting site(imgbox)..... Serbus, Raimey rse
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It is a Blitz lock action. Serbus, Raimey rse
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Carhub48, The photos confirm the rifle barrel is chambered for 9.3x72R, but rather than copper jacked bullet (KmG), it was proofed for a 13 gram lead (Bl.G) bullet. It was nitro proofed in Suhl ( shown by "nitro" being written in block letters) after 1911, as stated before, and before 1923, when Suhl started dating the proof. The 16 in a circle means it was proofed with the standard 16 ga. chamber, which was 2 1/2- 2 9/16" instead of todays American standard of 2 3/4". The 16, no circle, is the diameter of the shotgun barrels, ahead of the chamber, expressed in gauge measurement. The crown W means the shotgun barrel that has this mark is "choked", but the degree of constriction is not shown. The crown U, with eagle, is the mark for" View" proof, which was basically a detailed inspection, including verification of dimensions, after firing the final proof load. There was no photo, but the shot barrels were likely marked with a crown S, which shows the barrels were proofed to fire shot. I hope you find this helpful. Mike
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Der Ami, Thank you for your information. And Thank you Raimey for your information and posting my pictures. Does the 8,7mm 72 represent 9.3x72R rifle barrel chambering? Mike, I just reread your other post and saw the 9.3x72R is directly related to the 8,7mm 72. Thanks again. Carter
Last edited by Carhub48; 04/25/22 03:35 PM.
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