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Let me have a last go at dating the gun - waiting for FAB:
-- Manufrance - must be post 1885.
-- Ideal? If so must be post 1887.
-- Chambered in mm? We have theorized that in 1889 Saint-Etienne changed to using cm for chamber length so this is an anomaly discussed above. I personally think there should be a decimal between the 6 and 5.
-- It is stamped with the "Cycles" address so must be post 1892.
-- Proofed PJ so probably between March 1896 and 1900 when PT became standard.
-- There's a problem of the SN 4297 which would date to February 1890....if that's a SN and if it's an Ideal.... The number 4297 is stamped in to the wood just above the butt plate and on top. Was this a common location for a serial?
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Definitely not an apples to apples comparison. Though I am really not worried about a sale. I like digging up history more, and conversation. This one is definitely something I feel worth getting the noodles going on. Looking at above posts appears to be quite a mystery, and those are fun!
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No, not a true apples to apples comparison by no means. I looked on egun.de but didn't see anything right off and I am sure there would be one on Naturalbuy but 32 bores are somewhat rare but don't realize high values. Most of the 32 bore platforms were poacher type platforms and of Belgian origin. I carry such a Belgian type platform with me daily & shoot it often.
Yes, the thrill of the chasse for info chasseurs on these only gems. Indeed it is intoxicating.
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I found something else on the water table when looking under loop. Not sure if it has any meaning? There are the letters CH very fine on the front left side.
Also pulled listing so we can concentrate on the gun with no monetary side track. I also collect watches "military" primarily, and love when I dig up mysteries like this in that collecting.
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The initials >>CH<< were more than likely those of the Stephanos frame filer. Mechanics added their initials for compensation and liability.
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The initials >>CH<< were more than likely those of the Stephanos frame filer. Mechanics added their initials for compensation and liability.
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rse I was leaning toward that as well. It's not stamped heavy like the other markings.
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I put Ideal in "?" just in case. Eliminating the ideal from the dating equation doesn't change much of anything. The fact it was 32 bore should have been evident from the 13.0 stamped on the water table. 1898 catalog for Manufrance exists. -great document with complete explanations barrel manufacture, powders in use, proofing, chokes, etc. https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k97891530.texteImage This looks like the model (this is black powder - semi smokeless on p.70 of the catalog): ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/67707_1024x652.jpg) ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/67708_1024x624.jpg)
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Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch
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I put Ideal in "?" just in case. Eliminating the ideal from the dating equation doesn't change much of anything.
The fact it was 32 bore should have been evident from the 13.0 stamped on the water table.
1898 catalog for Manufrance exists. Someone must have a copy:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k97891530.texteImage The link you just showed with book, in thumbing through pages for whatever that year is; only shows 20, 16, and 12 ga
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I looked on Naturabuy this morning. No MF hammer guns and no MF 32 (or .410).
But I’ve seen them in the past.
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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