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Jtplumb #608954 01/05/22 08:33 PM
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Fab 500,
Wonderful information.

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Fabrication postérieure à 1960 ; il me semble voir un S et un P devant C643.

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Super Idéal 6REE tir aux pigeons de 1921.
Sur cette arme, le chambrage est en cm. Il semblerait que la Manu ait utilisé les cm bien après 1912.

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Friend of mine bought the original 16 gauge in this thread. They should get it sometime next week.

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Merci Fab...et en particulier pour l'analyse de C643. ma conclusion que le changement de CM a MM survenu en 1912 était basé sur les canons daté de Didier Drevet. c'est le seul daté piece de rechange pour les fusils de Saint-Etienne que j'ai trouvé.

Mais voici la question. Nous essayons de dater un fait historique par l'analyse. Il y a sûrement des enregistrements à Saint Etienne sur le moment où cela s'est produit. La famille de ma femme nous vient de Saint Chamond. Je pourrais leur demander d'enquêter. Mais pour un spécialiste français des armes à feu... cela semble être un sujet de recherche important.
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Hopefully this will get the French shotgun community energized:

"Thanks Fab..and in particular for the analysis of C643. My conclusion that the changeover from cm to mm took place in 1912 was based on dated barrels by Didier Drevet. These are the only dated Saint-Etienne gun parts that I've found

But here is the question. We have tried to date a historical fact by analysis. There is surely information in Saint-Etienne on the date when this occurred. My wife's family is from Saint Chamond. I could ask them to investigate. But for a specialist in French fire-arms..this would seem to be an important subject of research."

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Salut Argo,

Habitant loin de Saint-Etienne, il ne m'est pas possible de m'y rendre pour y faire des recherches.

Je viens d'envoyer un mail au Banc d'épreuve de Saint-Etienne pour leur demander s'ils pouvaient me communiquer des renseignements, et éventuellement m'indiquer où je pourrais les trouver. En espérant qu'ils seront disponibles pour m'apporter une réponse.

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Formidable! J'avais l'intention de visiter Saint-Etienne le prochain fois nous étions dans la region de Saint-Chamond...mais avec covid c'est difficile. J'espère que vous recevrez de bonnes nouvelles. Je n'ai pas eu beaucoup de succès avec les archives de Paris. La date de basculement 'est une date historique pour les fusils de chasse de Saint-Etienne et je suis sûr que Passionlachasse serait également intéressée.


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Originally Posted by Argo44
Formidable! J'avais l'intention de visiter Saint-Etienne le prochain fois nous étions dans la region de Saint-Chamond...mais avec covid c'est difficile. J'espère que vous recevrez de bonnes nouvelles. Je n'ai pas eu beaucoup de succès avec les archives de Paris. La date de basculement 'est une date historique pour les fusils de chasse de Saint-Etienne et je suis sûr que Passionlachasse serait également intéressée.

No ill feelings to our friend Argo44, but I'd just like to point out that I am sure I am not the only unilingual English speaker on the board. When a non-English speaker makes a post that is unintelligible to me but understood by Mr. Argo or one of the other posters and who can read the post displays his or her ability to speak a foreign language it is also meaningless to me.

It would be a kindness if a member here who can understand that foreign gibberish would take a moment and translate the foreign language post and then post his doubtlessly knowledgeable post in English as well a in French, Spanish, German etc. so the foreign poster can also read the reply, just in case the other poster can read English no better than I can read French.

Just a thought...Geo

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Pardon George....Here's the translation:

FAB:
Living far from Saint-Etienne, it not possible for me to go there to do research.

I just sent a letter to the Saint-Etienne proof-house asking them if they could send me some information and eventually let me know where I could find it. Hoping they will be accomodating and send a response.

Argo:
Great! I intended to visit Saint-Etienne the next tie we were in the region of Saint-Chamond...but it's difficult with Covid. I hope that you receive some good news. I have not had much siuccess with the Paris Archives. The date of the changeover is a historical date for Saint-Etienne shotguns and I'm sure that Passionlachasse.Fr would also be interested.

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Thank you , sir...Geo

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Argo,
I’m not a researcher, but, spent time at the proof house in St Etienne, and public libraries in Lyon and St. Etienne. My research was haphazard and rushed, and the focus was pretty much on Regis Darne and his company. He is considered a bit of a hero in that part of the world.
I found it tough sledding, getting details on anything pre WWI. Not much easier between the wars.

Best luck. Some details change as time goes on and more minds become involved.

Best,
Ted

Fab 500,
Je ne suis pas chercheur, mais j'ai passé du temps à la maison des épreuves à St Etienne, et dans les bibliothèques publiques de Lyon et de St. Etienne. Mes recherches ont été aléatoires et précipitées, et l'accent a été mis sur Regis Darne et son entreprise. Il est considéré comme un peu un héros dans cette partie du monde. J'ai trouvé difficile de faire de la luge, d'obtenir des détails sur tout ce qui était avant la Première Guerre mondiale. Pas beaucoup plus facile entre les guerres. Bonne chance. Certains détails changent au fil du temps et de plus en plus d'esprits s'impliquent.


Ted

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