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I realize these 2 guns are most likely Belgium sourced but what action is this? No pins or screws? Trigger plate is slim. But trigger guard is attached in most peculiar way, never seen it done that way except on this shaped action. I assumed at one time they were just A&D Boxlocks? Now I have come across 5 or 6 of them lately, but haven’t handled any.





One is German retailed Berlin other is A&F NY retailed.

They look to be pure Z-M Blitz locks or triggerplate actions.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

This pic wants me to believe the tubes are chopperlump, but I am skeptical.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=545843

This shows the Blitz locks & the telltale sign is when the cocking indicators are located atop quite a ways back on the top strap from the frame.

https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/about-the-guns/gun-components/actions-and-locks/


http://www.hallowellco.com/blitz_action.htm


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Subject >>Screw<< is retaining some modified triggerplate action or variant.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

You guys sure that's a Blitz action?

That triggerplate is very narrow. It's also pretty far forward.

Also, I don't see a plate for the locks to sit on. The action has a bottom plate on it, but that plate doesn't appear to connect to the trigger plate.

Take another look at the Hallowell pics:

http://www.hallowellco.com/blitz_action.htm

OWD

Well, by elimination it is not an Anson & Deeley Body Action, not a sidelock; therefore, it is some triggerplate action, variant or other.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

They attached the trigger guard that way for a reason? It’s odd. Does the Breul and/or Galands that are shaped this way have the same trigger guard and 1 screw on bottom plate? I’m sure one of the gunsmiths on this site would know.

Could it be a "top strap action"? I have a JGA 5,6x35R X 24 ga with such an action. The strikers etc. are attached to the top strap. John Laborde showed 2 similar guns in an article he wrote in WAIDMANNSHEIL titled "Fun Guns".
Mike

It does have cocking indicators atop but a pic is warranted to see if there are the proverbial screw(s) that attach the striker block to the top strap. Meffert(Treff) peddled such an action.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

But the cocking indicators would need to be more aft to accommodate the striker block.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Words=treff&Search=true#Post290552

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Ah, I was mistaken & didn't see a cocking indicator but the reflection off the edge of the toplever. But the topstrap is too short to be a striker block type action.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Too, I see now it is some novel Belgian platform and not a inland German.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Somehow the pages got mixed up, we are on page 1, but if you click on page 2, there are several photos of different actions. One of them, the one with cocking indicators, is the type I described. Note that the springs, strikers, etc, hang from the top strap.
Mike

GB000190615236A - Belgium Patent date - July 11th, 1905


Maybe something like this action?????

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=261189&page=all

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Would explain the need for that trigger guard set up, with the need for a strong longer bottom strap to mount the trigger spring I guess.
The A&F gun here seems to have a replacement stock. I think I would much prefer a Blitz. Thanks great information!