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Experts and Aficionados,

I am not an expert on double guns but have come into possession of one and am trying to decipher what I can. Any help with this puzzle would be greatly appreciated!

First, I believe it was made by "H. Roedl in Prag" (Heinrich Roedl in Prague, Hungary--now Czechoslovakia)


This is the first proof mark. It is hard to read but I think it is the first proof firing black powder, Weipert Proof House.


This is the second proof mark. It is the second proof firing black powder; Weipert Proof House


This is a barrel marking. I believe it indicates that it is the 840th gun manufactured in 1897--I could be wrong!


This one has me stumped. This is stamped on the underside of the bridge between the two barrels.


These are some faint marks off of each barrel. The faint numbers seem to correspond to the same number on the above image. I can't find the barrel proof mark referenced anywhere.



Nearly every part is stamped with a "1". Here is the watertable:


Note the gold inlay at the base (breech face) of the barrels:


Views of the action:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/bJzvXQ45/IMG-0093.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/442xMHP8/IMG-0094.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/KYbGLPcY/IMG-0099.jpg[/img]

And a couple of more pics:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/zXDPLV11/IMG-0108.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/d1m43KH1/IMG-0110.jpg[/img]


If you have any insight, I would greatly appreciate it!

>>This is a barrel marking. I believe it indicates that it is the 840th gun manufactured in 1897--I could be wrong!
[img]https://postimg.cc/dLL8jbj8[/img]<<







This is the preliminary datastring. It is the 1st pass..... It is Nr. 875(?) with one tube having a diameter of 15.6mm and the other being 15.2mm in 1897.


There is an ongoing Roedl thread in the basement in the German & Austrian Section.....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

>>These are some faint marks off of each barrel. The faint numbers seem to correspond to the same number on the above image. I can't find the barrel proof mark referenced anywhere.
[img]https://postimg.cc/KKFkwwBp[/img]
[img]https://postimg.cc/zVgyB8kP[/img]<<



Belgian sourced as typical.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The concern became Josef Wenish dříve H. Roedl Praha or Josef Wenish vormals H. Roedl Praha.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

It is a Belgian Lefaucheux platform sourced by an Austro-Hungarian retailer. Very long history of this sourcing.








Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Is the lock >>stepped<< by chance?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Words=Roedl&Search=true#Post279436


https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Words=Roedl&Search=true#Post315175

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

>>Dvouhlavnové lankasterky vlastní výroby<<



The longarm of which you are a custodian looks to be the 3rd one in the following advert?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Puškař H. Roedl of Prague looks to have been a businessman also as he was the sole representative in Austria in 1901 for Ludwig Loewe. I believe this has been mentioned prior.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

As observed, the high quality Bernard I 'rough forged tubes' were sourced in Belgium.

At the time of First Obligatory (Provisional) Proof for “Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns” - breech plugged tubes - the tubes were marked with Script EL of Banc D'Epreuves Des Armes a Feu De Liege and a controller’s identification mark.



The bore was 15.6 = .614" = 20g; the muzzle was 15.2 = .598".

The 1.375 is the barrel weight in Kg at the time of final proof = 3.031 #. If the barrels weigh > 3% less now, they are considered out of proof by the Belgium Proof House.

Could you pleasure us with a few pics of the flats and the area ahead of the flats towards the forend hanger in order that we may see the marks in their entirety? So we can see their location?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you so much for all the excellent information! I will take some more pictures this evening!

Well, it must be numero uno then, but for whom? I'll have to re-read to see what might have been transpiring in 1897?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Simply facinating that it wears the number 1(one). Will have to ponder on that a bit longer.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Here is a picture of the flats:


And another picture showing "1" stamped on the components:




Raimey, you asked if the locks are stepped. Can you explain what you mean by stepped? Is that a profile or is it a function? Here is a side view of the locks.


Once again, I deeply appreciate all of the info!

Tim

It is a profile & common among Bohemian makers for a time.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...ords=bohemian&Search=true#Post276395


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

>>875 . 15'5 . 15'2 . 97.<<


Nr. 875 with one tube having a diameter of 15.6mm and the other being 15.2mm in 1897.

Typically, if an inland sourced longarm, the tube diameters of the same bore are shown as one diameter as below.


>>1922 . 25 . 15.5<<

Carl Goulch in Linz example passed thru an Austro-Hungarian proof facility in 1925.

So I really don't have this difference sorted unless the two tube diameters are within some tolerance and be considered one in the same in the preliminary datastring?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse