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Thank you Raimey for posting these pics for me sir.

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Texasbdog,
Sadly, I'm not able to inform you who the actual maker of your gun was, based on the proof marks. I am able to inform you, however, that it was proofed in Germany( maybe Suhl, maybe Zella) sometimes between 1893( when the 1891 proof law was implemented) and about 1912( when 1911 improvements to the law were made). The crown U under an eagle is the mark for a "View" proof, performed after a definitive proof, using the provisional proof charge. A view proof is basically a detailed inspection, including verification of dimensions, after firing the proof loads. The crown G on the rifle barrel is the provisional proof for a barrel using a single projectile( bullet). The crown S on the other barrel is the provisional proof mark for barrels using shot. The crown W next to the eagle on the barrel flat means the shotgun barrel is choked, but the amount of constriction is not shown. The 16 in a circle means the gun had a standard 16 ga. chamber which is 65mm or 2 1/2- 2 9/16" instead of the current US standard of 2 3/4". The 16/1 is the bore diameter, ahead of the chamber, which works out to 16.99mm. The 118/35 is the rifle's bore( not groove or bullet) diameter, expressed in gauge measurement. This mark is often found on various old 9.3 and 9mm rifles and is consistent with your statement that it is a 9.3x72R. One of the changes made in 1912 would change this mark to show the bore diameter in mm and show the case length, also in mm. From experience, guns showing a 118/35 mark most often have about .358-.359" groove diameter, which would be helpful to you if you decide to handload ammo for it. I hope this helps.
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Thank you Mike, I bought this sight unseen on the basis of it being a unique and an older gun. It was listed as a Cafe gun at a small east Texas auction. My ultimate goal is to sell this one and buy me a nice quality 20 gauge SxS. Would anyone here have an idea of it’s value? And where would be the best place to sell it? I do have some ammo that would convey with the purchase. I have been fascinated researching this gun and have come to the conclusion that makers then and to some extent now, are not as forthright with the origins of the items they were selling.

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I'll guess maybe $550 to $850 depending heavily on bore condition. It's a shame about the apparent condition of the wood. Of course, I may be out of touch with the current market. It may even be lower. Having bought 2 nice top lever hammer drillings in 16/16/9.3 for $75 and $35 (yes, $35) and a 16/9.3 hammer Cape, also top lever, for $75, I may be slanted.

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Texasbdog,
I suspect the listing as a "Cafe gun" was a typo. I believe they meant "Cape gun" instead.
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Texasbdog,
I suspect the listing as a "Cafe gun" was a typo. I believe they meant "Cape gun" instead.
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Yes that’s what it should have been.

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The stock looks to be of the Bavarian, maybe Austrian, style. The frame appears to have been sourced from Ferlach. Can you read the stamp beside the >>Crown over G<< near the lower rib and below the forend hanger? Too, can you send me a pic of the water-table & standing breech?


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Ford or Jani:

If you are listening, is there protocol per each gunmaking centre as to in which direction the rear ocular folds? This German Kettner Biks example folds towards the receiver whilst a couple of the Ferlach Biks, of which I am a custodian, fold away from the receiver. The internals of these oculars, which are designed for success, have long captivated me.


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Raimey,
I never thought about it, the one I have is like the one in this thread( so is the cheek piece and other features). I suspect rather than protocol, you will find it depended on whose parts the maker used. They would tend to use a local parts maker, but maybe not always.
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Ford:

But would the selection of the frame or the type of frame filer each mechanic might prefer dictate which way it folds? Better phrased, when does the work on the rear ocular commence & terminate with respect to the longarm?


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