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What Jon said.
We most certainly are in a drought in the West, and it has significantly affected the Mearns populations in SE AZ. This Monsoon possibly too much rain for the summer hatch chicks. And major flooding off the burn scars in Flag and Globe.
We most certainly have more people, who are building homes in the forest...and in Rancho Ridiculosos in the desert.

I had a friend who was a career Conservation Officer, mostly in Nevada, and he observed "where there is smoke, there is money."

OTOH last week we were up in the White Mountains and visited Greer. This is the burn scar from the 2011 Wallow Fire that burned > 500,000 acres and made it VERY close to town

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Lots of misinformed drivel here. You can cite some "expert" to support any stupid opinion, Fox's being the most stupid of all time, but you can't change what SKB and KY Jon are saying There's less water in the west and there's more demand for it. That's a prescription for disaster, and the disaster is unfolding now. For years, I've marveled at the contadictory views here. Everybody complaining about fewer birds but very few to admit that habitat destruction, manmade, is the cause. So-called conservative opinion has held back actions that could mitigate climate and habitat deterioration until it's an open question whether we can avoid a global meltdown.We need to see that there's more at stake here than smaller government and lower taxes. Stupidity is not ignorance; it is not a lack of education. It is a denial of reality, and it is fueled by propaganda designed to close down reason and logic and cement its audience to their tribal allies at all cost. It's a tragic effort, and it's having a lot of effect. PS: more than 120 years ago, John Westley Powell reported that water scarcity in the SW meant that widesread development there was ill-advised. That didn't hinder the railroads and the speculating developers from proceeding at full speed. Our chickens have come home to roost. Still we cut and drill as if there's no tomorrow. It may well be so.


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Mmmmmmmnn…

Cool… (water)

Clear… (water)

Water… (water)

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There were droughts and climate change long before Modern times.


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This summer June 15 to Aug 15 we have had record beating rainfall I live in the white mountain in AZ. At 6825 ft.they had been doing controlled burns in June when the fire danger was really high mid June early July they closed the sitgraves nat.forest there was a fire between where I live and Greer it was contained then allowed to burn in on itself like a control burn in an area that was deeply over grown so it worked out pretty well

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After the Rodeo-Chediski fire in 2002 (the Rodeo fire was started by a seasonal fire fighter), the Healthy Forests Restoration Act was signed into law by President George W. Bush, which allowed forest thinning and controlled burns, but only limited logging. The fire scar is evident all along the 260 east of Heber-Overgaard.

Tom: It is estimated that there were 40,000 Hohokam living in the lower desert in 1300 A.D.
There are now 4.5 million people in Phoenix Metro, which leads the country in 10 year population growth
https://azbigmedia.com/business/phoenix-is-fastest-growing-city-in-u-s-for-5th-year-in-a-row/

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It is entertaining to watch so many of the people who have cried about non-Double Gun topics once again engaging in the very same behavior they whine to Dave about.

But since "moderation" obviously isn't doing a damn thing to stop them, I may as well join the fun.

Greg McReynolds seems hung up on the author of Ted's blog having a Yorkie in a basket, and he totally ignores the guy's rather impressive credentials and resume. Here is some more dissenting information for him to mock... without even reading it:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/s...un-ipcc-gore-2/

It is very interesting to see that several links to information countering the Global Warming/ Man-made Climate Change crap have been eliminated by the big tech censors. Here are several that appeared here in the past, and contained very good data. Big Brother has decided that you may not see them anymore:

http://www.hiltonratcliffe.com/the-myths-of-man-made-climate-change/

https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/400467/original/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu...generation.html

However, I did find some amusing links that are trying to convince us that those many predictions of a coming ice-age in the 1970's were actually predictions of global warming.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml

If we go by prehistoric CO2 levels, at our current CO2 level, the ocean sea levels should be over 100 feet higher than they are right now. But they aren't, are they? And humans didn't even exist at that time either, so who do we blame for that? If dinosaurs had only driven Prius's, they might still be here.

And if you can make it all the way to the end of this article, it will be seen that the correlation between CO2 levels and temperatures over the last 400,000 years being used to support the Global Warming propaganda from the Liberal Left is cherry-picking data at its' finest:

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/7/4167

But Liberals and the Fake News have largely been successful in suppressing the 2009 Climate-gate scandal. They just stopped talking about Global Warming until the controversy died down, but they knew they could come right back and continue the B.S. LGF certainly has heard about that Climate Fraud scandal, but you won't hear him even acknowledge it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

One part of Ted's link that deserves attention is the section on Corruption of the U.S. Temperature Record The author makes a very important point when he says,

"The US temperature record is very important, because it is the only large area on the planet with a high quality long term daily temperature record."

Unfortunately, long term means going back only to the mid 1800's. But even for that very short time span, it can easily be seen that this country has experienced broad fluctuations in heat, cold, drought, rainfall, etc., and that what we are experiencing right now is really unremarkable. The historical data on the National Weather Service website used to be much easier to access and navigate, but for some odd reason, they made it much more difficult to see that we absolutely are not spiraling out of control and headed toward a catastrophic man-caused CO2 induced melt-down.

As glaciers melt in Greenland, Iceland, Switzerland, etc., and expose ancient Viking Longhouses, tools, and other remains that have been buried under deep ice for many centuries, it is important to think for a moment, and understand that those relics and structures were there before the glaciers, and that it was obviously warm enough in the distant past for human habitation and even agriculture.

Well, that's all for now. I do hope that I won't be the only one censored after all of these other people got the opportunity to post their off-topic musings. I'll be very surprised if this Thread isn't locked very soon... even if it has generated more posts and views than anything else in the past several days. Just remember the mantra... these off-topic subjects make people leave this site. Repeat it until you believe it. And try not to think about the carbon footprint you left from shooting your last round of skeet.

I wish Ted had included his past and present photos of the sea level in Sydney Harbor. But it really doesn't matter, because being good obedient little tools of Liberal Left propagandists requires us to believe only what they spoon feed us, and to simply ignore what our own eyes can clearly see:

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There are now 4.5 million people in Phoenix Metro, which leads the country in 10 year population growth

Where you reckon the Coyotes are moving to?


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So many acres of pinyon juniper to try to restore to grassland.

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