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At the link is a Thomas Jackson SxS Shotgun 12ga with a grip safety. It looks much like the one I have (and may be the one I have), unfortunately between the barrels being off face and the barrels pitted, it is probably unshootable.

https://www.icollector.com/Engraved...rel-Under-Lever-Hammer-Shotgun_i17960400

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Good catch Chantry:

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This one???

>>The Purdey/Wyatt Patent No.4218 of 1818 blocked both the hammer and trigger. The 'Manton style,' to which
I previously referred, blocked the triggers. J.H. Walsh, author of The Sportsman's Gun and Rifle (1882)
credited Manton with the design - but there is no patent that supports his attribution. Additionally, Neal and
Back's definitive books on the Mantons make no such claim.

There were a number of designs available. The Purdey/Wyatt and the 'Manton style' used a long bar below the
trigger guard tang. The difference of their operation might not be apparent to a casual observer. Powell
used another design as well, that I can't link to a patent. It had a 1 1/4" by 1/4" rectangular piece that
substituted for the longer bar of other designs.

I have documented these safeties being installed on Powell guns as late as 1909. If you are familiar with the design
of the grip safety on a M1911 Colt - you'll note that it blocks the trigger in a manner similar to the "Manton style."

Not to be outdone, the Rossons (P.J. & C.S.) were granted Patent No.4883 in 1913 for a grip safety.<<

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>>Powell used another design as well, that I can't link to a patent. It had a 1 1/4" by 1/4" rectangular piece that
substituted for the longer bar of other designs.<<


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So the lever versions are either >>Purdey / Watt<< or >>Manton<< variants depending if the grip lever blocks both the hammer and trigger or just the trigger?

>>The Purdey/Wyatt Patent No.4218 of 1818 blocked both the hammer and trigger. The 'Manton style,' to which
I previously referred, blocked the triggers. J.H. Walsh, author of The Sportsman's Gun and Rifle (1882)
credited Manton with the design - but there is no patent that supports his attribution.<<

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You know, I just missed Steve Helsely's most pertinent addition. I had gotten caught up in the language of French. But like most other gun related info here in this >>Gun Think-Tank<<, the info is here, one just has to ferret it out.


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Richard, here's the best guess I have on the grip safety: It seems to have been in use for a number of years in the flintlock era but without having been patented. John Walsh, author of " The Modern Sportsman's Gun and Rifle", 1882, states that Joe Manton patented the system shortly before his death in 1835. So, we will never know who actually created it. One of those mysteries that makes researching interesting....

Raimey posted earlier the Manton patent drawings for the system.

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The Whitney grip safety cocked the main springs, ----just another look at a "possible problem"

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