Lagopus, ignore rwtf, he /she/it is a bitter ignorant individual. Our UK shooting organisations have given very little support to membership with regards the continual onslaught against fieldsports. Very disappointing and the lead ban is just the latest nail. Regards
Each gun is an individual, and it's hard to make accurate generalizations about steel shot and full chokes. Interesting that the proof houses ignore the amount of choke when granting the flour de lis stamp.
Worth Matthewson, writer, duck hunter, and author of "Big December Canvasbacks" wrote that he was shooting a Field Grade L C Smith when steel shot came out. He agreed with the use of steel even before it was mandated, and began using it in the Smith, which was choked extra full in both barrels. He used it for years until taking it to a gunsmith to have some minor problem seen about, and was told he shouldn't be shooting steel in it, especially with such tight chokes. The Smith had digested, and burped, those steel loads for years with no discernible barrel issues!!
"With one foot in the grave ..........and one foot on the pedal, I was born a Rebel" T.P.
Beg to differ, my Limey/Scotland amigo. I have a keen eye for details, a common trait of snipers (your Lord Lovat comes to mind) and whenever I spot a technical error in print, I "proof-read" it to make it right. Blame that trait on my late Mother, a English teacher for 37 years, and a stickler for proper grammar and spelling of the English language, even in your part of the world, where you seem to add an extra vowel to certain words when not truly required, ie: honoUr, coloUr, well I am sure you get my drift. No bitterness intended, just a life-long trait, and on an open forum such as our host Mr. Weber provide us, well Sir, why not, why not indeed? In the immortal phrasing of the late fat cigar smoking Limey PM-- "An umbrella is an item that when raining, is then an item outside with which I shall not venture".. RWTF--and I am a dog Fox, not a vixen. And show me a noun that has not at least one vowel in its proper syntax or spelling.
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Stanton Hollis, it is strange that choke is not taken into consideration during proof, but the Fleur de lis stamp is certainly given to guns regardless . It appears any choke is suitable if the gun passes proof. The latest Browning game gun, with the Fleur de lis and marked steel proof, comes complete with a full choke amongst the selection of screw in chokes. That is the over and under model. Palunc, I am unable to add anything with regard the stock question. rwtf,. You should have paid more attention, no requirement or sense in the extra question marks and no need for question marks after a statement. Sad,sad man.
PM Churchill's wartime speeches were censored by Intelligence officers to prevent breeches of secrecy. One officer had the temerity to emend a sentence that ended with a preposition, a correction that was outside the scope of his assignment. Churchill fumed, "This is arrant pedantry, up with which I shall not put."
Perhaps the purpose of proof testing is to assure the gun is safe to the shooter. Blown patterns may not be the concern of the proof house.
P.S. The letter "U" is a vowel, not a noun.
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Given the way you write, that is the laugh of the day. Thank you.
The Mathewson anecdote is a perfect example of why you should consider the source (not the messenger, the source) before you believe anything in the papers or online.
I have personally seen, not just heard about, Beretta Mobil-Chokes marked IC and M expanded by steel shot to the point that they defeated a Brownell's 'stuck choke remover'. Permanent damage resulted to a modern gun (Italian proof house, etc). Beretta went to a tougher alloy and marked them 'SP'.
This from Beretta about their current production guns and chokes:
"We suggest that - when using Steel Shot - you only use choke tubes marked with the SP (Steel Proof) identification on the side and that you use the most open choke system possible – i.e. Cylinder / Improved Cylinder / or Modified. We DO NOT recommend use of Steel Shot in the X-Tra Full Turkey / Full / or Improved Modified choke tube."
Perazzi does now state that all their barrels are steel compatible as standard, so it varies with manufacturer and date of manufacture.
I would opine that an LC Smith choked F/F would stand no chance against steel shot loads, especially early steel shot loads.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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