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I have a question about a Kasuga, Tokyo SxS I picked up a few years ago. I can't find much information about the maker or the proof marks. It appears to be a quality built shotgun.

12 Gauge
Chokes IC and Mod
Weight Six pounds, 8 ounces
27" Barrels
Pistol Grip
3" Chamber by measurement
Manual Safety
No butt plate
Hand engraved with setter on one side and pheasants on the other.
1/2" Sling swivels

The water table is marked "STEEL" and "STEEL", one for each barrel.
The underside of the barrels are marked "STEEL" and "CHOKE" one for each barrel.

Do these proof marks indicate the shotgun can safely handle steel shot?

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Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.

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It should have a fleur de lys proof mark if steel shot compatible, I think. Looks high quality with chopper lump barrels.


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Buzz, the only proof marks are shown in the photos. Nothing more on the barrels. No fleur de lys that I can see.

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I know nothing about the proof marks, that said I think you'd be OK if the chokes are no tighter than mod. The chokes are not marked, at least not obviously, so a measurement to find the constriction. With the 3" chamber it seems that the gun was made with steel in mind, especially in a 6.5 # gun.

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Originally Posted by ChiefAmungum
I know nothing about the proof marks, that said I think you'd be OK if the chokes are no tighter than mod. The chokes are not marked, at least not obviously, so a measurement to find the constriction. With the 3" chamber it seems that the gun was made with steel in mind, especially in a 6.5 # gun.

Thanks for responding Chief. I mic'd the chokes to Imp/Mod so no tighter. Your logic of 3" chamber being made for steel seems good. What did you mean especially in a 6.5# gun? Not sure if that's heavy or light as far as double's go.

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Hi Ken, 6.5# in a 12 is nicely light, a good walking/hunting gun weight. A typical 3" lead load would likely be a "kicker" in that gun. There are very few 2.75" steel loads in 12, everything in 3".
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There were lots of 3” lead loads produced before the mandate of non toxic shot for waterfowl or other hunting. I don’t see anything here that says this is a steel shot tolerant shotgun. I’d guess quite the opposite, the makers had no idea people would be using steel shot, as I’m thinking it is way older than the late 1970s, when steel shot became a thing.
That said, steel has come a ways since it was first stuffed down our throats, and into our guns. If you are talking a steady diet of steel loads, especially 3” versions, that gun will soon change your mind on that, as noted already. Sneaking an upland load in, here and there would likely be OK.

Good luck. I don’t feed steel to any double guns I own that I care about.

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Originally Posted by ChiefAmungum
Hi Ken, 6.5# in a 12 is nicely light, a good walking/hunting gun weight. A typical 3" lead load would likely be a "kicker" in that gun. There are very few 2.75" steel loads in 12, everything in 3".
Chief

Ahh...that makes sense. I look forward to using it for upland game.

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