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Sometime ago, this item came in a box with some pinfire reloading items. It is solid brass, and the "shank" is .375" in diameter and flares at the end to .400" diameter. Notice the end is hollowed a bit. What do you think the tool is and was it made for a certain type of gun ?
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I BELIEVE IT IS FOR A MUZZLELOADING BENCHGUN WITH CONICAL BULLETS THAT HAD A FALSE MUZZLE
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It look somewhat like the ones you use for stuffing the wad over the shot but smaller.
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I agree with Leighton. I think it''s a short starter for conicals in muzzleloaders.
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I think it's a wad seater for the 410 shotshell. A 'Tamper' they are usually called and they are generally paired with a brass 'Filler Tube' which the hull being loaded is placed inside while all the components are put in one by one and pushed down firmly with the Tamper/Wad Seater.
Could be a 'Starter' for a M/Loader. It wouldn't be one for use w/a False Muzzle with that flare machined on it.
If it is a Starter, the end shape could certainly be for a round ball just as much as for a bullet shape projectile. At it's length, it'd be a Long Start. If using one, the shooter would generally need a 'Short Start' as well. Usually both are combined into one tool for the field to make things handy.
Interesting things you find in boxes of 'stuff'!
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Kutter, while it certainly could be used to seat .410 wads, if that were the intended purpose of it why would it have a hollowed out end? That is the feature that makes me think it was a m/l rifle (or pistol) starter.
I made short starters when I competed in m/l roundball competition in the NMLRA. Many had a very short stub that seated the ball just below the muzzle, and also had about a four inch stub, at right angle to the shortie, that pushed it on in. We called the tool a short starter, even though it had two seating stubs. Then, the loading rod, with a muzzle protector, would be used to seat the ball firmly on the powder.
With my serious bench rest and cross-sticks guns I used a ball and patch combination that was so tight I had to "hammer" the ball into the barrel with a mallet on the short starter, and the long starter as you call it. I have a 14 lb. cross-sticks gun, .45 caliber, that will shoot sub-inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. My best is a 5/8", 5 shot, at 100. Although they are called round ball rifles, when you seat as tight a fitting ball/patch combination as I used in that rifle the ball is actually swaged into a slightly elongated shape. The weave from the patch will be easily seen in the soft lead ball. Very tight.
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Daryl, add a photo of the top of the tool, head on pic. If the hole runs through it then it is not a short starter for a false muzzle. I personally don’t think it is but let’s see the top. If it were a starter I think it would be a solid rod closely fitting the bore diameter of the false muzzle. And it certainly wouldn’t have the bell bottom yours does. Here’s is a link to what a false muzzle and its starter looks like. Not even in the ballpark with your tool. http://www.hallowellco.com/false_muzzle_and_bullet_starter.htm
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Joe, I’m away from the item, but it is solid brass with no hole coming the length and out the top. The top does show slight evidence of being tapped on, but not excessively.
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Looks to me like a finial for an ugly lamp. What indication is there that it is gun related at all?...Geo
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More pictures of each end.
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