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I'll make my points like I want to. You continue to do so in your peculiar ways. I won't be running into any bears, Lonny. In the case of druggies I will be heeled with my .45.

As to the water pipe, sad that you can't differentiate between sarcasm and real life. Or maybe you can, but you feel you have to keep up some perceived persona. Whatever. But, when you can't discuss anything seriously without linking it to hockey, in some way or another, that persona that you try to keep up becomes meaningless. Rave on, though.

No wonder you're lonesome.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
…In the case of druggies I will be heeled with my .45.

Praise the Lord…


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Praise the Lord…


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Yes ........ and amen.


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Interesting read, Brian. Thanks.

I understand the argument about ease of carry being important, so that the arm is always with you. But, just for curiosity sake, how does a load of 00, or 000 buckshot stack up in stopping a bear attack? I read it has been the choice of many African PHs when having to follow up a wounded leopard. But, a leopard is diminutive in size when compared to a bear. When I try to imagine a bear attack I cannot help but wish for a short barreled 12 ga. pump. Being a shotgunner a hundred times more than a pistolero I think I would be light years ahead of the game (pardon the pun) with a shotgun. In my work, which keeps me in rural and often isolated areas, I can possibly drive up on a drug deal going down, or be accosted by a meth-head wanting to steal my truck or tools to sell for a quick buck at anytime. Although the .45 is at my side in Condition One, there is a loaded 12 ga. in the truck, too. Concerning altercations which humans I've always agreed with Jeff Cooper who wrote that a pistol's purpose is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun.

But, back to the question, what would be the effectiveness of a load of buck to a bear's head, under charge? I'd think it would be a charge stopper, but would like to hear of specific examples.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Interesting read, Brian. Thanks.

I understand the argument about ease of carry being important, so that the arm is always with you. But, just for curiosity sake, how does a load of 00, or 000 buckshot stack up in stopping a bear attack? I read it has been the choice of many African PHs when having to follow up a wounded leopard. But, a leopard is diminutive in size when compared to a bear. When I try to imagine a bear attack I cannot help but wish for a short barreled 12 ga. pump. Being a shotgunner a hundred times more than a pistolero I think I would be light years ahead of the game (pardon the pun) with a shotgun. In my work, which keeps me in rural and often isolated areas, I can possibly drive up on a drug deal going down, or be accosted by a meth-head wanting to steal my truck or tools to sell for a quick buck at anytime. Although the .45 is at my side in Condition One, there is a loaded 12 ga. in the truck, too. Concerning altercations which humans I've always agreed with Jeff Cooper who wrote that a pistol's purpose is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun.

But, back to the question, what would be the effectiveness of a load of buck to a bear's head, under charge? I'd think it would be a charge stopper, but would like to hear of specific examples.

Oof. I just pray you never have any trouble.


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Thank you for that. I pray the same.


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I was told that the logic of a shotgun and a bear
was blasts to the legs to end its’ ability to chase.

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From reading the links, it appears that penetration is more important than expansion. 12 ga. tungsten buckshot would seem to be ideal for bear stoppage. I am not aware of it being commercially available, but it may be. Here's a discussion of it on bear, but the load discussed is 10 ga.
https://www.tungstensupershots.com/viewtopic.php?t=380
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Stan, being a baby boomer, perhaps you could just pull out your lightsaber and Jedi that bear right down the middle. Personally I’d rather have that pump gun with two loads of buck shot followed up by a solid slugs for when times get nasty. Factory, 12 gauge, 3” slugs going Mach 2, seem to be the new norm. Painful to shoot I expect they would do the job. I figure I should be able to tag him twice with the buckshot and if wounded or if the buckshot failed to do the job it’s be time to get serious. I carry a pistol but am much happier with a pump gun in my hands.

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