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Argo44 #596558 05/04/21 09:04 PM
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Yes Steve..I have the bottom lock...it functions perfectly and now have a key for it. But that top piece -.that size can't be found. I'd bet it were 1860's. So best to make it - it is sort of a mirror reflection of the lock body. I should resemble the one I posted at the bottom.

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Originally Posted by Argo44
But here is the interesting part. On the top of the case is in faint letters the name "I.M. Bonham-Carter."
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I believe this is likely to be Air Commodore Ian Malcolm Bonham-Carter. He was born in 1882. The Reilly labels changed in 1897, when he was 15, but, the gun could have been bought for him or by his father and his name added later. Cases and labels are always fascinating...and I don't plan to change it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Bonham-Carter
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Interesting. My son has a school mate from that family and with that surname. Her cousin is the actress Helena Bonham-Carter.


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If a Bonham-Carter family member has the gun and reaches out.....the saga starts anew. At least there's not a specific gun associated with the case.

Looking at the case...it looks like it originally was for an 1860's percussion muzzle loader. Look at that long extension past the action flats. Heck, look at the locks.
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See examples below of 1860's percussion gun Reilly cases: :
SN 12920 - 1863
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SN unknown (pre-1868 label)
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SN 13599 - 1864)
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Case locks as date markers?


Going through all the Reilly's in my database and looking at their cases (if they had one), I'm convinced this oak and leather case was originally for a muzzle loader and probably from the 1860's or early 1870's. Check out the locks on the 1860's oak and leather cases pictured above.

Zeroing in on the locks in the photos (always hazy), here are the "posts" that I'm missing for my lock. I can't tell if they are just straight posts, curved on the bottom or if there is some sort of hook in the post. The locksmith actually did research on Reilly to try to match the lock. Think I'll give him a call and a query. This should not be too hard to make.

All four of these oak and leather case locks appear identical to my lock and date from the 1860's:
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The amazing thing about building a database of photos of your favorite guns...you always manage to leave things out...who would have thought to photograph the upper posts of an 1860's lock! Or that case locks could in and of themselves be date markers.

Examining the lock, there has to be a small hole at the base of the post for the lock bolt. The post must look something like this:
. . .____
. . .| \ . \
. . .| . \ . \
. . .| 0.\__\ .<===(bolt)
. . .| . .| . |
. . .| . .| . |
. . . \ . .| . |
. . . .\ _/__/

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