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Help w info about Franz Poriska, Wein - 16ga x 11mm Cape Gun.

I recently acquired another Cape Gun. This makes number 6 in my collection. Although I just purchased it from a private party, I found it was listed for sale in the Rock Island Auction back in September of 2010. The only info I have is what was shown in that listing. (see pic) There are no caliber marks or proof marks and no serial number or assembly numbers. The only markings are on the barrels and both locks. I'd be interested to know the place and date of manufacture if possible. I have had a fellow suggest that the rifle caliber may be the long obsolete 11.6x82R, the Austrian / German version of the 450 bpe. A modern 450 bpe case is too large and will not fit into the chamber - it only goes in approx. 1 inch. Both the rifle and the shotgun chambers and bores are "mirror-bright" from muzzle to breech. It looks to be seldom fired, if at all.

Any additional info would be greatly appreciated.












cape gun pictures

One likely caliber would be 11.15X65R. My Sauer drilling, 1905 as I recall, is that caliber. A 2 1/2" .410 shotgun shell is a perfect fit. You may be able to use brass .410 empties to create your ammunition. I also shoot .410 shotshells in my Sauer. I can't see your links.

Austro-Hungarian for sure with the Lefaucheux platform & probably made in Wiepert but it is possibly that Poriska took a parts kit & made it.

L. Wußzinger Nachfolger, I do not recognize this firearms merchant right off.



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I can't get the photos to open up.
Mike

Hello eightbore,
Thanks for the reply.
The overall length of the cartridge is 3-1/4" - much longer than the 11.15x65R. A fellow on another forum suggested that the cartridge is an 11.6x82R. My pictures show the rifle and the chhamber cast dimensions.

I'm not sure why some can see the pictures, and others can't. this has happened before on this Forum.

Hello ellenbr,
Thanks for the reply.
I take it that you can see the pictures .. correct?

Hello ellenbr,
Thanks for the reply.
I can see the pictures just fine.

I'll try inserting a link to the photos on the original post above .......

To Buckstix
1. "L. wurzinger's Nachfolger" means "L.Wurzinger's successor"
2. Simply google "L.Wurzinger" and you will get 7 hits of L.Wurzinger guns/rifles
The most spectacular in James D. Julia spring 2011 auction ( now Morphy) sold for 9775 $.
In one of these is also the script "L.Wurzinger in Wien", so Franz Porizka took over some time his Viennese shop.
The Wurzinger guns/rifles date 1867 to 1875.
3. Check for the calibres in these hits, possibly one of these is also yours.
The Austrian gurus I knew on these old calibres are all gone.
Cheers
F.N.

Should be this cartridge: https://aukro.cz/naboj-11-6-x-82-r-450-6981778470

Kind regards,
Jani

Machine translation:
Buy a German hunting cartridge 11.6 x 82 R / 450. It was German modification of British charge 450 3-1/4 inch Express. Production started in 1879. A totally impressive cartridge with its size. Needless (no longer") authorized by 1890. I don't have Pay U. I don't send abroad.

Hello felix,
Thanks for the reply.
I appreciate the translation. It now makes it clear why that name was also on the barrel. Interesting that you mention that Werndl in the James Julia auction. I actually collect Werndl rifles, and have a similar Schuetzen Werndl, although mine is not as elaborate. I expect my rifle was made in the late 1870s up to 1880 .

Hello montenegrin,
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, that is the exact cartridge for this rifle. I'll be making some cartridges and will shoot this gun soon.

Hello Argo44,
Thanks for the reply.
I wonder what game the Austrians would be hunting with such a large cartridge.

Russians? There were Bear in the Carpathians and Trans-Sylvanian Alps...still are and they kill people every year even now,