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#592808 02/21/21 03:45 PM
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Hi,
What does one look for to recognize a Pre 1900 W W Greener SxS as a High grade firearm. Extensive engraving? Marks on the watertable? Patent number?
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If I look at mine, #30.600 from the late 1880s, I see fine, delicate floral engraving, sculptured fences, golden SAFE and Arrow; wood, while rather plain, is finely checkeded in a 'semi fancy' pattern, with a diamond instead of drop, and dark buffalo tip and buttplate, the later rather thick and checkeder in a diamond pattern. The present Mr Greener sent me an email years ago saying that this 16g double was three years in the making, being their highest grade at the time.

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Some are marked as to grade on the trigger guard. Most are not. Start looking at photos of Greeners for sale on the internet and the features of the higher grades will be obvious.

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Royals are marked with a gold crown on the toplever, while Imperials have a crown and scepter.

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Here is my 1879. Have no idea about grade

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In the DGJ article by Bill Wise telling about his son, Ben, winning the Vintage Cup hammer gun competition with his Greener Royal, nothing was said about the mentioned characteristics of a Royal. Ben's Greener was plain and unengraved and Graham Greener apparently identified it as a Royal. In emails to and from Graham Greener, inquiring about my eight gauge hammer gun unengraved and identical to Ben's gun, Mr. Greener identifies Ben's gun as a Royal and identified my gun as best grade, but unengraved. I left our conversation assuming that both Ben's gun and mine were Royals. Apparently, the build cards at Greener don't always identify a gun by grade. I don't know anything about the catalog listings for Royals, but would be interested in hearing about them. Neither Ben's gun or mine have grade markings on the trigger guard.

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I believe mine was made in 1878 and not a high grade on any level approaching Claudio's fabulous exhibition grade Greener. A good solid gun though. I should have shown it in the hammers thread.

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Does the presence of sculpted fences indicate a grade range?
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JB, Please go ahead and post those hammers on the hammer thread. They are beautifully done and well proportioned!


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