doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com Anyone familiar with this action on this Timner?

I recently joined the forum and wanted to share my drilling and ask a few questions about it's operation.

It's an A.F.W. Timner, 16 x 16 over what is probably 11mm Mauser, but I have not verified that yet. I have done as much digging as I can and know the following:

Clearly it's a Jacob Roehmer's German Patent DRP #72583 [/url]

and here; [url=https://ww...romerwerk-the-becker-revolving-shotgun/]

and a Römerwerk gun, but no lever by the trigger; [/url]

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This is how the gun works.
Rear trigger fires left barrel as you would expect.
Front fires right barrel.
Selector on tang pushes forward to select rifle barrel. It "sets" the middle sear and moves a small pawl to disconnect the right sear via a sprung lever that is then held in place by the button/lever in the trigger guard. Once the right sear is disconnected, you can not reengage the right sear/shotgun barrel until you have fired the rifle. un-set the middle/rifle sear (which you can do by pushing the tang selector forward and pulling the trigger) AND pressed the button in the trigger guard. It does not reset on it's own in any way until you release the pawl by pressing the button.

Does this sound right?

The actual DRP patent does not show the lever and appears to be self resetting from what I can get from the German. So these guns with the trigger guard button/lever seem to be a modification of the original. I wouldn't worry about it except that there is an unused tapped hole in my right trigger and a notch cut in the spring that moves the pawl that sure look like they are designed to interact, but if they do, there is a part missing. But if firing the rifle barrel is supposed to reset the front trigger automatically, then why does the triggerguard button exist?

Below are pics, I'm going to try hosting on fb, hop it works. I also messed up those hyper links, but they work. lol

[img]https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10217106097124312&set=a.10217106114324742[/img]

Thanks!

August Friedrich Wilhelm Timner was gun maker to the Royal Court with his workshop located in Coblenz, Germany. He was known for very fine work, attaining both aesthetic and mechanical perfection. I am pleased to own a 16 gauge hammer side-by-side Timner. His drillings are undoubtedly worth treasuring, as well.

J.K.B. von Falkenhorst

Can you pleasure us with an image of the lever or send said image?

Ah, I now see them on the Facebook social media platform with the side arrows.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

D.R.G.M. 16378




D.R.G.M. 16378



So this button which acts as a tab to the so called >>Lever<<?
D.R.G.M. 16378




D.R.G.M. 16378




We really need the full regiment of marks fore & aft of the above image. But it shows that the tube was sourced from the Schilling forge, which performed a couple of tasks. Too a Jäger mechanic was involved and the bore marks date it to pre-1912/1911. Interesting script characters of >>J.H.<< or similar with punctuation on the underside of the left tube.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Are the scattergun tubes of the pattern welded variety?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Is this tab similar?

>>Jacob R�hmer in Suhl - DRP Nr. 72583>>

>>Deutschland Nr. 72583
GM(D.R.G.M.-Gebrauchmuster???) 16378
Belgien 106297<<

>>Gebrauchsmuster - D.R.G.M. 219051 -Sichernde Umstellvorrichtung am Selbstspanner Dreil�ufer, dessen am Ende der Schlo�stangen angelenkte federnde Sicherheitshafen der Sicherungsschieber mit zwei seitlichen Anf��en auf dem Abzugsblech abwechselnd bet�tigt. Friedrich Wagner in Suhl - 25.1.04 _ W 15883<<

>>Raimey, this is different from the Röhmer Patent! It describes a combined Selector/Safety on the trigger plate�.<<


https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ub...Words=roehmer&Search=true#Post366773


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

If the example of which you are a custodian is similar, then it may date to before the all the >>chicken scratching<< of the additional countries where the novel idea sought protection?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

"PATENT DEUTSCHLAND 72583 GM 16372, BELGIEN 106297, OESTREICH UNGERN 64473. 44 4071, XXVIII 2765.

Baskyl med etsad och graverad dekor, på ena sidan två hundar med ram av förgyllda voluter, på andra sidan hjortar: bock och hind med ram av förgyllda voluter. På avtryckarbleckets sidor stämplat, till h: "D.R.P.72583", på: "DRGM 16378". På bakändens h. sida och på ovansidan framför hamrarna: Z. Till h. om pipklackshaken kontrollstämplar: tyska örnar och krönt U.

https://www.europeana.eu/fi/item/2064105/Museu_ProvidedCHO_Livrustkammaren_40054

Maybe Peter of Sweden will render aide here???

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 16378

Sebus,

Raimey
rse

Another variant with the tab/lever on the triggerplate:





https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=543915&page=2


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you for posting the pictures ellenbr! Also it was a previous post of yours that led me to the D.R.P. 72583.

Yes the "lever" is exactly like the one you pictured. there is another example pictured here.

Brad