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Bochumer Verein should be in the mix also. There's one odd one that I just cannot recall at the moment.
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thanks raimey...
have jp sauer side lock gun # 55xxx, with fluid steel barrels...barrel flats have crown over v proof and crown over s proofs...among other marks...barrels do not have any stamps that i recognise, that suggest who made the tubes...
could these be unmarked krupp barrels from circa 1890? or some other tube maker?...
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Böhler Stahl, 1919 ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Steel-Strength/i-cmcVNqR/0/d7003aaf/XL/1919Bohler-XL.jpg)
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The Krupp stahl marks are typically high on the tubes near the forend hanger, but could easily be worked off and you can't see them. Krupp & Sauer were very chummy so the probability is high that the tube steel is that of Krupp, which either sent bar-stock or allowed their recipe thru license to be mixed near Liège and supplied to the tube makers there. Then the Liège mechanics would transform the bar-stock to >>rough bored barrels<<, which were shipped everywhere.
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well, if krupp and sauer were so chummy in 1890, it stands to reason that the barrels on 55xxx are krupp steel...
i also have #415xx, with unidentified fluid steel barrels,,,anybody know of an earlier numbered sauer with fluid steel barrels?
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You can just about bet your bottom $1 / Five-er that if Sauer peddled it, it wears Krupp steel tubes, converted from bar-stock in Liège and finished @ the Sauer facility.
I have searched and searched & I am looking for an odd German steel that you see once in a blue moon on a Suhl drillling. I can't seem to recall the name but think it may have been Bouildon or Bouldon? Any assistance from any corner of the globe?
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Thanks Ford but I well know the run of the mill ones & want to keep the search restricted to German steel.
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>>Baildon - Hubertus<< or >>Baildon - Doublette<< barrel steel. These grades were produced by Baildonhütte in Katowice, Upper Silesia.....<<
Many thanks to älgmule, Ford, Wolfgang & Axel E for bringing the term to the surface.
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