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Well, the proofmarks are what for the most part show the area of origin and unless there were some extenuating circumstances, a Suhl mechanic just would not send his wares to the Zella-Mehlis proof facility or source from Z-M as Suhl considered the mechanics in Z-M to be inferior to them or a >>red headed step child<<.
For now I don't see any maker's marks less the typical >>R<< beside the tube steel stamp, but that just notes where the tubes were sourced. There may be other marks on the standing breech or on the lower rib.
Standing Breech image:
http://www.hallowellco.com/standing_breech.htm#:~:text=The%20face%20of%20the%20action,recoil%20of%20the%20fired%20round.
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Otto Zller of Zella-Mehlis could have been the engraver, but this is just a wild guess.
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Oskar Will / Venus Waffenwerke peddled such an Anson & Deeley Body Action with horn triggerguard. But this too is just a wild guess.
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Thanks so much for the information and help, Raimey.
Regards!
Last edited by campero; 12/30/20 12:27 PM.
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Last edited by campero; 12/30/20 12:30 PM.
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Note the >>Imperial Eagle<< on the right side of the water-table which notes that Bchsenmacher Adrian Kowalski in Ahorn sent the longarm thru a German Proof Facility in recent times(May 1990). The chambers must have been lengthened to 70mm then and that is the reason for the 70 at the bottom of the left barrel flat?
Script >>NITRO<< denotes a pass thru the Z-M Proof Facility.
Nice menacing muzzle.
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Thanks again, Raimey! Do you think the gun was sent for reproof in May 1990? What's the meaning of the eagle mark?
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Yes, it passed thru the Mnchen Proof Facility in May 1990 and the Imperial Eagle just denotes that it passed. Many times there is a character/letter under it. The meaning for the Imperial Eagle has changed since its inception along with advances in powder.
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Here is my 3cents worth. The nice gun shown was likely re-built in the 90s from a plainer gun made in 1929 and proofed in the Zella-Mehlis Proof house. While seemingly unusual, it is possible the gun came from one of the Suhl makers, unfinished , then finished and submitted to the proof house by someone in or around Zella-Mehlis. It was, and is, common for manufacturers to sell, to "the trade", guns in various stages of completion to others for final completion. Much later, it was likely re-stocked, re-chambered, profusely engraved, re-finished, and submitted to either the Munich Proof House or Munich's sub-facility in Mellrichstadt(?) for a new proof. The horn triggerguard could have been original, or added in the re-work. As far as the engraver being drunk when he stippled the background; it could be possible, but there is no way to know now. The most likely explanation for the mistakes is the background was not likely done by the engraver, himself. Such background work was, and is, usually done by less experienced persons training to be engravers. It could have been anyone, even the 15 year old daughter of the engraver; the identity is not known now. The gun should be accepted for what it is now, a fine gun, and what it used to be is no longer important. Mike
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