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That is the wonder of public land hunting in the west, anyone with the motivation and a tag can hunt our public lands, generally free of charge. That is the kind of entitlement I fully support, and one of the reasons I strongly beleive in sensible management of those lands.

No doubt Steve, that's why I think a modest place snugged up against a large wilderness area can be a beautiful thing. There is no entitlement to the land, but hunters might be entitled to work a little to access it and appreciate its game resources?

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The Anaconda Co wasn't a Democratic operation. No one here ignores that legacy. The Berkley Pit is a monument to laissez-faire industry. Somehow, voters here still forget. It's a mystery. Oh, I forget that some voters all over still prefer the Liar-in- Chief. Yes. Republicans are all for welfare as long as they're on the receiving end of it. JUst don't let any of it trickle down to the poor.


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....Also reliably a federal welfare state by any metric.

No, ask Bill, not by any old metric, but very specific ones. Military defensive coverage and native American services come to mind. Ask Bill, when you and him create the drug addiction culture, then mandate a Montana 'healthcare industry', of course you win according to your metric. But, that's not any metric, it is the misery metric.

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Bill, I bet you might have a decent point or two, but pandering to nca is not a good look.

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Anaconda Copper- the mines, back in the WW1 era and into the 1920's- where they workers worked 12 hours shifts, and had to piss in their pants, no bathroom facilities for them.. RWTF


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Blues states are generally higher in Welfare.
Welfare by state. Total and per capita.
Monatana is one of the lowest by total and lower half in per capita

Wyoming: $843M
South Dakota: $1.1B
North Dakota: $1.6B
Montana: $1.8B
Vermont: $1.8B
Alaska: $2.2B
Delaware: $2.4B
Idaho: $2.5B
New Hampshire: $2.6B
Rhode Island: $2.6B
Nebraska: $2.7B
Hawaii: $2.9B
Maine: $3.4B
Utah: $3.6B
Kansas: $4.2B
Nevada: $4.2B
West Virginia: $4.4B
New Mexico: $5.7B
Mississippi: $6.3B
Iowa: $6.5B
Oklahoma: $6.6B
Arkansas: $6.9B
Alabama: $7.2B
South Carolina: $7.4B
Connecticut: $7.5B
Colorado: $8.5B
Louisiana: $8.7B
Missouri: $8.9B
Oregon: $10.4B
Kentucky: $11.2B
Tennessee: $11.5B
Georgia: $11.7B
Maryland: $12.1B
Virginia: $12.1B
Wisconsin: $12.3B
Indiana: $12.7B
Washington: $12.9B
North Carolina: $13.4B
Arizona: $14.0B
Minnesota: $15.6B
Michigan: $16.9B
New Jersey: $17.7B
Massachusetts: $19.9B
Illinois: $20.2B
Ohio: $26.2B
Florida: $26.7B
Pennsylvania: $30.3B
Texas: $36.9B
New York: $65.6B
California: $98.5B

Public Welfare State & Local Expenditures Per Capita in 2018
Rank State FIPS Code Per Capita Expenditures
1 District of Columbia 11000 5,339
2 New York 36000 3,908
3 Alaska 02000 3,641
4 Massachusetts 25000 3,446
5 California 06000 3,338
6 New Mexico 35000 3,037
7 Minnesota 27000 3,027
8 Rhode Island 44000 3,003
9 Vermont 50000 2,899
10 Delaware 10000 2,794
11 West Virginia 54000 2,727
12 Oregon 41000 2,688
13 Kentucky 21000 2,674
14 Louisiana 22000 2,624
15 Ohio 39000 2,522
16 Maine 23000 2,506
17 Pennsylvania 42000 2,474
18 Arkansas 05000 2,265
19 Wisconsin 55000 2,256
20 Maryland 24000 2,184
21 Montana 30000 2,137
22 Arizona 04000 2,124
23 Hawaii 15000 2,110
24 Mississippi 28000 2,108
25 Indiana 18000 2,083
26 New Jersey 34000 2,039
27 North Dakota 38000 2,035
28 Iowa 19000 1,972
29 Illinois 17000 1,835
30 New Hampshire 33000 1,776
31 Tennessee 47000 1,764
32 Alabama 01000 1,751
33 Michigan 26000 1,747
34 Washington 53000 1,725
35 Oklahoma 40000 1,722
36 Colorado 08000 1,713
37 Missouri 29000 1,609
38 South Carolina 45000 1,588
39 Idaho 16000 1,565
40 Wyoming 56000 1,513
41 Nebraska 31000 1,502
42 North Carolina 37000 1,483
43 Virginia 51000 1,479
44 Kansas 20000 1,449
45 Nevada 32000 1,410
46 Texas 48000 1,375
47 Florida 12000 1,362
48 South Dakota 46000 1,349
49 Utah 49000 1,286
50 Georgia 13000 1,207
51 Connecticut 09000 1,089
Data Source: Rockefeller Institute of Government, U.S. Census Bureau

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Incidentally Lloyd, why did you title this thread as "last stand"? Those words implicate a desire to hold your ground. But isn't that exactly the opposite of what you are looking for advice to do, turn tail and run like a coward? Aren't you looking for a place to run towards from all those nasty democrats in CO?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out I guess.

This also begs one of two other questions. One being just how strongly you believe in these "values" and the other being just how well reasoned these "values" are in the first place.

Surely these "values" that you claim which are being affronted, were strong and desirable values, they would be well equipped to hold up to the scrutiny of other ideas or values in the free market place of ideas. But not for you. You are not defending them when you have to run away.

Or maybe its your faith in these values that is weak? Seems to me that you don't have it in you to stand up for them and just want to run from other ideas and values like a coward.

Please elaborate.

Last stand? Please. Wouldn't put up the white flag and run like a coward be more apropos to what you are asking?

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CRaig, There you go again. Brent and I created a drug culture? Prey tell how we did that. That Montana receives more federal dollars than it sends to Washington is not my fault. We're a poor state. Wages and jobs are slim. The rich summer here and drive up housing prices. RWTF, the lack of sanitary facilities was the least of those miners' troubles. At the smelter in Anaconda, there were jobs in which the averge life expectancy was 35 years. Butte was the richest city between Chicago and San Fransisco, but mine workers had to strike every six months or so to keep body and soul together.


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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
CRaig, There you go again. Brent and I created a drug culture? Prey tell how we did that. That Montana receives more federal dollars than it sends to Washington is not my fault. We're a poor state. Wages and jobs are slim. The rich summer here and drive up housing prices.


This is actually a step up for thrifty bill. He usually has a certain type of blame the victim mentality. A very specific type of attitude you find with security guards or corrections officers that become disillusioned with what they are tasked to protect.

Kind like a college campus cop that resents the students cause he hates them to a one, because he knows they are all on a better career path than him, and having more fun while at it.

At least now he is looking a little beyond those walls. Give him credit where its due.


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nca, Are you referring to me? Please let me know so that I can offer an appropriate response.


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