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John, I live in Extremadura, in southwest of Spain.

Regards!


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Buenas tardes desde Canadá Campero y bienvenido al grupo, me encanto vuestra escopeta Alemana, aunque no se puede apreciar en detalle pero parece ser de alta gama. Quizás, si no le molesta...que le parece postear unas fotos mas detalladas de su báscula

Muchísimas gracias

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BTW.... your English is excellent


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Ola, Sr. A mi te gusto todos los escoptas hechan en Alemania-tambien los hechan en Espana. Merkel, Kreighoff, Sauer, Gebruder Adamy- y tambien AYA, Grulla-- Yo espero algun dia que tener uno de los en mio manos--Boom!! El Zorro!!


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Gracias a todos por vuestras palabras.

Pongo algunas fotos más de la Bemesu. Y digo Bemesu porque esa creo que es su identidad, aunque en la escopeta marca BOPE (Banco Oficial de Pruebas Español), punzón que se marcaría cuando se importó y entró en España.

La escopeta se fabricó en octubre de 1929 (10.29), tiene un buen acero (Boehler-Stahl) y la firma del armero que hizo el cañón (A. Kowalski, de Ahorn, en Alemania). Tiene detalles, como el grabado del segundo gatillo para identificarlo y no resbalar.

Creo que el grabador original estaba borracho (!!??) el día en que marcó los punzones en esta escopeta.











[img]https://i.ibb.co/ZMw1kV4/IMG-20201228-102442098-3.jpg[/img]

Espero que os guste y podáis contarme aspectos que yo no sé ni veo en esta paralela germana.

¡Saludos!

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jawohl, meine Fruended.. Sicher in Deutsche und Seguridad en Espanol, si como no?? Eine bocksflinten de einer klassen, Ja!! El Zorro- Der Fuchs!!


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Eso es hombre.....esas son fotos!!
Como sospechaba es muy bonita y para mi fue fabricada con báscula Sauer por algún armero artesanal Alemán de la época.
Pero mejor continuar en Inglés para dar lugar a que opinen los verdaderos expertos en el tema.

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I think the gun has Sauer written all over it but not so sure of the maker.

Maybe the real German gun experts will chime in and reveal the correct pedigree


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No, not sourced from BEMESU or Sauer as it passed thru the Zella-Mehlis proof facility in late 1929. Interesting ledger stamp of a fraction though? Looks like the tubes were worked after it was originally finished.

Although the longarm wears the name of Büchsenmacher Adrian Kowalski in Ahorn, I do not find him in any period listings. However, I do see that he is currently active. Maybe he performed some task on it in recent times.

I don't know if the engraver was a temperance man or not, but Suhl engraver & historian Henrik Frühauf might be able to identify the engraver.


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Any touchmarks on the standing breech(area between the strikers) or on the water-table?


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Looks a lot like my Simson...my barrels are away at present, so I cannot compare proof marks, but I believe both started at the same factory.

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Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
jawohl, meine Fruended.. Sicher in Deutsche und Seguridad en Espanol, si como no?? Eine bocksflinten de einer klassen, Ja!! El Zorro- Der Fuchs!!

Ja, Zorro! smile grin

Originally Posted By: CJO
Como sospechaba es muy bonita y para mi fue fabricada con báscula Sauer por algún armero artesanal Alemán de la época.
Pero mejor continuar en Inglés para dar lugar a que opinen los verdaderos expertos en el tema.

CJ, a german engraver told me that A. Kowalski made the barrels. I don't know who made the gun, but I think it was Bernhard Merkel Suhl (BEMESU). Pictures can resolve this question.

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No, not sourced from BEMESU or Sauer as it passed thru the Zella-Mehlis proof facility in late 1929. Interesting ledger stamp of a fraction though? Looks like the tubes were worked after it was originally finished.
Although the longarm wears the name of Büchsenmacher Adrian Kowalski in Ahorn, I do not find him in any period listings. However, I do see that he is currently active. Maybe he performed some task on it in recent times.

I don't know if the engraver was a temperance man or not, but Suhl engraver & historian Henrik Frühauf might be able to identify the engraver.

Raimey, what a surprise! Can you explain more about Zella-Mehlis and why you say is not a Bemesu shotgun.

Have you got Frühauf contact for send him the pictures?

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Any touchmarks on the standing breech(area between the strikers) or on the water-table?

Sorry, Raimey, I don't understand you.

Originally Posted By: NCTarheel
Looks a lot like my Simson...my barrels are away at present, so I cannot compare proof marks, but I believe both started at the same factory.

Another possibility! A Bemesu, a Simson... ?? I don't see any horn trigger guard in a Simson gun, so I supose mine is a Bemesu, very similar to some SxS of the catalogue.

Thanks everybody!

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