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I agree with the consensus that cheaper isn't the better option here. I'm guessing that $1000 seems to be the new minimum for practical/functional. It's not my call, thankfully. Clearly, the simplicity of a single sighting plane and a single trigger seems to be very attractive to the majority of shooters anymore.

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Why 20 gauge? Is it weight or recoil? There are so many more options in 12 gauge if weight is not a big deal. If you reload you could easily drop down to 3/4 ounces so recoil would be almost nothing. Then as he grew heavier loads could be used. I often see beginners started out with a .410, a caliber I love but it is almost useless to a beginner trying to hit flying targets.

My father started all of his boys out with a 20 single shot. As soon as we could handle that we were moved to other guns. My Christmas gift at age 12 was a Winchester Model 12 Skeet gun in 28 gauge with a split case of one ounce Winchester 6’s and 7 1/2’s. With that I hunted everything. What a gift that was.

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A $700 quality 20 ga. O/Ur is an impossible dream.

Might get him a 20 ga. pump and $300 worth of ammo with the left over change.

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KY Jon: This is a pretty slight young man and his dad doesn't want to overwhelm him with either weight or recoil. A 28 would work as well, but 20-gauge shells are just far-easier to obtain in most places.

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I started my older grandson on a youth 870 .20 pump as he grew I bought him an 870 12 ga. and later when he started duck hunting with his buddies I bought him SBE now he thinks he's an x'spurt shot.

I still have both trainer guns. My youngest 8 will start on the same 870 youth 20 ga. pump and then the same 870 12 ga...

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I doubt we can find a new or even used decent quality 20 ga O/U for $700. I used an Ithaca model 37 20 gauge for quail hunting in Kansas when I was in the Army. What a quick handling, light weight little gun! That's a possible starter gun of quality in his price range...

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HoJo has a point about the 870 (or an 1100 LT20). The guns are reliable and butt stocks are cheap, so easy to put on a cut stock until the kid grows into the gun. If the budget really is limited to $700, this would open up a lot of possibilities. An LT20 would simultaneously solve the problems of weight, recoil, and budget.

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There is aCharles Daly 20 ga., 26” cyl and IC. On GunBroker for 750. I would ask them to weigh it and see if it is in the six pound range. Made in Italy not Turkey. You might even find a earlier Japanese version if you look long enough. Solid gun but not too flashy. 26” barrels should be easier for a slight person to handle and the weight should be fairly light.

If this is a small person I would load up a large number of 3/4 ounce 20 ga loads. That would keep recoil to a minimum. Do not pick a 1250-1300 FPS load. There are many in the 1100-1200 FPS range which are soft shooting and hard hitting. Patterns can be tightened up a bit with larger shot as well.

For 800 there is a Miroku CD 20. 28”, 6 pounds they were very well made guns. That might be my first choice.

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