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I bought a like-new Beretta 20-gauge Black Onyx with 28" barrels for my son a few years ago at a Cabela's Gun Library (pre Bass Pro) and paid $900. I flat-out got lucky.

Used Beretta, Browning/Miroku, and Japanese SKB/Ithaca/Weatherby OU's would be good choices, but you may have to do some digging at that price point. 26" barrels usually go for less money than 28" barrels if that matters to your nephew. As previously noted, the BL-series Berettas are starting to get a cult-like following in some areas. Getting parts for them also is difficult per Rich Cole. 20-gauge Ruger Red Labels weigh close to a Beretta 12-gauge 686. If he is willing to consider a 12, you can find a Beretta that is closer to his price point and weighs around 7-pounds, sometimes a bit less.

If he plans on putting only a few boxes of shells per year through it than some of the Turkish guns may suffice. If he plans on doing any target shooting I would go with one of the above brands. I know a few guys that used CZ guns during trap league and they all had issues: triggers, ejectors, and/or firing pin problems. They all moved on to other brands. CZ does good warranty work; they get lots of practice.

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Originally Posted By: Replacement
Back on topic. I'd avoid a Win or CD 101, unless it is an extremely good deal, because parts are almost impossible to find.


I beg to differ new 101 parts are listed all over Ebay.

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Some of the Ithaca guns made by SKB are a bit under the radar. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101565744

12-gauge but good gun to grow into: https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101558076

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=100532365

Make an offer, who knows?...

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Wouldn't a single shot Stevens suffice for the ground slicing Lloyd? They go for a lot less then $700.00 too.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...=101529342#md-1

This one's a 16, but it will give you a staring point for pricing them out.


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Quote:
I beg to differ new 101 parts are listed all over Ebay.


I beg to differ. The vast majority of 101 parts listed on eBay are for 12 ga guns. Small bore parts are pretty scarce.

I have Olin Kodensha 101s in 12 and .410, and I like them, but I still think there are better choices for OP.

Re the previous comment about the weight of Ruger 20s, I would also tend to disagree with that. I have Ruger 20s with 26" and 30" barrels. Subjectively (because I have not weighed both guns), my Ruger 20/26" is perhaps lighter than an acquaintance's 101 Pigeon. And my Ruger 20/30" is no heavier than my 687 Silver Pigeon, but neither of those is a $700 gun.

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Originally Posted By: Bluestem
If he plans on putting only a few boxes of shells per year through it than some of the Turkish guns may suffice.


I would not suggest a Turkish O/U for anybody, regardless the shell count. I have seen too many of them that had trigger issues, bought new.

I do not understand why some brands Turkish S X Ss are so reliable, and the same brand O/U is not, but that's been my experience. Take it for what it's worth, but it's firsthand info. It's been several years since I encountered those, and I hope the issues have been addressed since then by the manufacturer, but have no personal evidence of that.

I would give a kid the extra $400 myself to see him have a good, used Italian O/U rather than see him saddled with a cheap Turk O/U.


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Two words I recommend.......go Beretta or Browning. If you look real hard, you may be able to find one of the original Citori 20s with short barrels at your price point....

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That last one is a nice looking gun...the long barrel guys would be all over it claiming the barrel is too short.

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Last year I ran across a 26" Citouri unfired in the box made in 1991 with short invectors for a grande. I hope my grandson is big enough to shoot it this year.

I know your nephew is not going to want to wait on a once in a lifetime deal.

One other suggestion dont be afraid to go with a 26" barrel...xspurts shot them for years.

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Who made the Verona cOrona you were hyping earlier...sounds like a dang type writer.

Stan over the years I've really been surprised to see yOu the acclaimed shotgun gUru buying and shooting these junk shotguns...

Heres a tip Queeny try putting in an extra 400 bucks yourself next time you get the urge to go Verona

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