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Yes, it's very possible under $700. The Miroku Dalys are a good place to start. But in general, if you're willing to go with a gun that has fixed chokes, there's a significant price difference on the older versions that don't have choke tubes. Ithaca SKB is another one. Older Beretta or Franchi. Valmet. Possibly an early fixed choke Citori.

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This is probably a long shot but the later Olin Kodensha (Winchester 101)Classic Doubles shotguns dont sell at a premium here in the UK as they do in the US . Would it be a viable proposition to import one from the UK, eg there is a 201 20 bore at 895 on guntrader that has been there a few months. Would buying, importing and perhaps selling such a gun finance a better starter gun for your nephew?

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I dont think there is a later Olin Kodensha 101...

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
I dont think there is a later Olindeska 101...


I was referring to the Classic Doubles shotguns built on the same machinery and in the same factory as the Winchester 101 line of shotguns after the Classic Doubles company bought over the factory when Winchester ceased the manufacture of their shotguns there. I dont think there is such a shotgun as an Olindeska shotgun.
I think CVC then bought the prduction machinery from Classic Doubles and imported it to the US

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I bought my younger son a Miroku Daly 20 as his starter gun a long time ago. Nice gun, but they were much cheaper then. For a budget starter 20 these days, I would recommend a Yildiz from Academy. A friend bought a pair for his boys and they have turned out to be excellent guns for the money.


My youngest sons first shotgun was also a Miroku Daly 20 choked Sk and Sk. His grandfather had it reblued before he gave it to him.



Being fixed choke good for skeet and grouse but falls short for sporting clays and other venues and bird options. And it really doesn't fit him well. Bottom line is if the gun doesn't fit you it doesn't matter how cheap it is. I wouldn't hesitate to look at those Yildiz guns if there was an Academy Sports around.

The BL4/3 series in 20 ga. are in high demand by hunters so prices have gone up last few years. And there is the fixed choke thing to deal with although there is something to be said for fixed chokes IMO. For one it gives you an excuse to buy yet another gun.

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This isn't quite as low as you specified, but who knows what they'll take? Make an offer? Even at $999 it's a lot of gun.

I've been shooting a Verona LX 692 28/.410 for about ten years. I have nothing but praise for it. Veronas are the most undervalued, overlooked O/U on the market, IMO.

If there's any concern about repairs there is a dealer/gunsmith in NV for FAIR, trained by the Rizzinis in Italy, named Bazil Slaughter. He ordered my FAIR Iside Tartaruga Gold .410 for me. Great guy, and a straight shooter.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101559238

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My youngest son first new gun was a Verona in 12 ga. FAIR makes a heck of a gun IME and the Verona line is a real sleeper. With interchangeable choke tubes.

FAIR's first introduction into the US was with NEA and I have a 16 ga. with both 28" for hunting and 30" bbl. for clays. It has tens of thousands of rounds over the years through it without a hiccup.



Italian Firearms Group is the importer for FAIR now and places like Lion Country Supply can order one for you including custom orders. I finally picked up a FAIR Iside in 16 ga. last year and wish I would had done so sooner.



The fit and finish on my FAIR guns are close to my B. Rizzini & Berretta target guns. And unlike Browning's and Winchester shotguns they fit me and work well. For me.

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Originally Posted By: Konor3inch
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
I dont think there is a later Olin Kodensha 101...


I was referring to the Classic Doubles shotguns built on the same machinery and in the same factory as the Winchester 101 line of shotguns after the Classic Doubles company bought over the factory when Winchester ceased the manufacture of their shotguns there. I dont think there is such a shotgun as an Olindeska shotgun.
I think CVC then bought the prduction machinery from Classic Doubles and imported it to the US


The two mid 1960 101's I own are clearly marked on the bottom of the receivers "Olin Kodensha".

I believe Olin Kodensha was the name of the factory....I heard Winchester production stopped there when the factory was torn down.

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Olin was an employee of Winchester . Kodensha was the name of the company that produced the then Winchester line of shotguns 101 ,23 and the Parker reproduction. Classic Doubles made the 101 line under their name after Winchester production ceased.
Both my CD 101s were made around 1990. A game grade 2 and a 20 bore skeet gun.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: Konor3inch
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
I dont think there is a later Olin Kodensha 101...


I was referring to the Classic Doubles shotguns built on the same machinery and in the same factory as the Winchester 101 line of shotguns after the Classic Doubles company bought over the factory when Winchester ceased the manufacture of their shotguns there. I dont think there is such a shotgun as an Olindeska shotgun.
I think CVC then bought the prduction machinery from Classic Doubles and imported it to the US


The two mid 1960 101's I own are clearly marked on the bottom of the receivers "Olin Kodensha".

I believe Olin Kodensha was the name of the factory....I heard Winchester production stopped there when the factory was torn down.


Not marked Olindeska as first thought ? I see you have altered your Olindeska to Olin Kodensha in your posts.

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Editing your mistakes, without it showing it was edited, is a cool feature, eh Frank? Amazing how the "Olindeska" just went away.

Well played, Konor.

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