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Thanks for looking. Guess my shotgun production year and where is came from is still a mystery.

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Band it between 1862 & 1874:

>>All right, here's what my Magic 8 Ball says. But before that let me recap a bit. Schoverling & Daly was founded in either 1862 or most give 1865. In 1868 Friedrich Wiebusch was listed as a silent or special partner and he expired in 1893, 2 years after August Schoverling. I'm fairly confident that Friedrich Wiebusch was founding partner in Wiebusch & Hilger(Hilger & Co. founded in 1848??) which arrived on the scene around 1876 and continued till say 1928. After Friedrich Wiebusch expired, Charles Frederick Wiebusch, William S. Hilger & M. Taussig were at the helm and were mainly blade peddlers. In 1892, about the time they were listed as the sole Sauer agents, they were in a tiff with the U.S. of A. over bowie knives, which they considered to be sidearms but the government didn't see it that way & they lost. The seem to have drug in some Belgian arms also and all appears to have left port at Antwerp. Getting back on track, in 1869/1870 Schoverling & Daly advertised as being an agent of William Powell & Sons and the scattergun in the advert looks to have the lifter action but the verbiage is as follows:
"4 systems - Lever Under Guard Double Grip, Side Snap, Top Snap Double Bolt & New Triple Fastening" and I am pleased to see
B. Jacob of Selma, Alabama as an agent. I think it was in 1871 or 1877 as I've gotten my dates crossed but surely in the 1870s, SD&G had a satellite office at No. 65 Weaman Street, Birmingham and that seems to be the address of Tolley. Schoverling & Daly were involved in several import/retail houses and just like the tale that Charles Daly spun on the stand in the early 1890s(A. Schovering possibly would have been in the hot seat but he was on holiday in Germany where he expired) it seems that components were being imported as follows as all along with others were listed as agents of Schoverling & Daly:
Tubes to William R. Schaefer was located 61 Elm Street, Boston, Massachusetts.....<<


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Great Great Grandfather Archibald Tyson's modest accommodations in Lowndesboro, Alabama (between Selma and Montgomery) 1858..still stands. Wonder if he bought one of those from Jacob "after the war."
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It appears to have a Deeley forend fastener - an 1873 patent.

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Yes Steve. Good eye as it escaped mine for a time. So Deeley & Edge forend fastner Nr. 1422 of 1873:

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Now band it between 1873 & 1874 since it is devoid of any H.A. Lindner Hallmarks. That is unless Georg had to scrub one off on his own to fill an order?


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Argo44:

With a house like that, he had to have one in every corner? Bet he had full time window washers......


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It’s definitely a Deeley latch! What does the “1422” mean in front of the year 1873?

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A very kind member forwarded a link to Charles Daly Nr. 169 and as I was uploading the image of the components I noticed a tab on the right side of the toplever? Any ideas? My intent was to post an image of the >>V<<s forward of the flats on the tubes near the lower rib. I was going to see about @ what serial number the switch was made to Deeley & Edge forend fastner.



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Daly Nr. 169 with odd tap to the right of toplever utilizing a Westley Richards Doll's Head(Nr. 2506 of 1862) variant.


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Cropped image showing tab....



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