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The ever popular suggestion for a first double hasn't been made yet, so I will. An Ithaca/SKB. Not exactly vintage or American, but dependable, quality doubles, they are. Depending on chokes you could shoot steel (in my opinion) as well. Certainly within your budget.


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Canvasback, thanks for that info sir. Not worth it for sure on a low end gun. I have been a Remington fan for a long time. I have many Remington rifles and a few 1100 LT and LW 20's. My youngest rifle was born in 2001. I feel like the quality, as with several manufactures, is lacking in recent history. And for some reason I don't find the 1900 Remingtons very attractive. I have looked at several. A friend of mine has one that he will never part with.

On a side note I did not realize until a few weeks ago that Remington filed for bankruptcy again and is actually being parted out by the courts. Damn shame.

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Walter thanks for the clarification on the Ithaca / Lefever I will give them a look also.

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Fishsticker, bear in mind that some of the older guns, such as early Sterlys, can have considerable drop in the stock compared with later guns. Some folks have trouble adjusting to the drop. Gil

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GLS, yes I have been trying to make sure that the measurements when given are reasonably close to what I think I can deal with. I can usually adjust my style to work with most shotguns for wing shooting.

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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
No-Joe- that was the Ithaca Flues designs-- But the best double for the $ today is a Ithaca NID- I bought one (Grade 2E 12-30" DT from Brad Bachelder 6 years ago-love it-foolproof- Brad told me the action, frame,trigger(s) were of the same quality as a M21- and I do own a M21 as well. I'd stay away from Parkers, L.C. Smiths, but the Ithaca made Lefever box locks are good guns. Double triggers and std extractors are also best for your entry level double- and make sure the stock dims fit your size. RWTF


No, it was not. jOe has a good memory, and there were several photos posted of Fox frames that had cracked. Drew may or may not have the files at this late date.

The Foxes in question may or may not have had restoration work, such as re-case coloring, done to them. The questions were never answered in a satisfactory manner. We had yelling, back and forth, but, the pictures were all we really had, and I seem to think it was four or five different guns.

The cracked frame sub gauge Flues guns are fairly well documented, along with the reasons.

We never got to that point with the Foxes.

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Originally Posted By: FISHSTICKER
GLS, yes I have been trying to make sure that the measurements when given are reasonably close to what I think I can deal with. I can usually adjust my style to work with most shotguns for wing shooting.


That might work for most things but not too well for wing shooting.

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Flues Model Ithaca frames cracked in all gauges.











As far as entering the American made side-by-side market, you might be better off with a new gun such as the CSMC RBL. Cryogenically treated barrels with tuf-coat bores, 12- and 20-gauge come with choke tubes, don't have to worry about what you shoot in them.





Choice of straight or capped pistol grip, slim or beavertail forearm, double or single selective trigger and grades of wood.

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Well, I have a pile of Fox and a few Ithaca's in my various watch list. Not bidding or buying anything yet but after I drink a few this evening that could change smile.

Thank you guys again for all the info.

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Quite the cool history Researcher. What a neat exchange between Ithaca and the Owner and thank you for sharing that. Was a different era when we had to write letters. Maybe a better time. I have too many guns according to my wife and I guess it's hard to argue with her when you start approaching triple digits. I have enough modern guns to beat around with. Like most of you guys I just always loved the look, feel, and idea of a vintage double and now I'm going to buy one to put in the safe to keep my Remington model 10, Winchester 1873, Remington Model 14, Colt Single Action Army, Remington model 341...and all the other junk I have bought over the years company on the "old gun side".

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