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Could you pleasure us w/ an image of the right flat which has the Crown over U and mm stamp offset from centre for some reason?
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Checked a few W. Foerster rifle barrel lengths on the Web & there was 60cm, 26 1/2", 21 3/4"(I assume they couldn't measure & the value was 55cm?)
So his wares spanned the gambit regarding English or Metric units.
Just to follow up on this, I actually measured 62cm exactly rather than the 24.5 inches the seller depicted.
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Could you pleasure us w/ an image of the right flat which has the Crown over U and mm stamp offset from centre for some reason? Absolutely.  Doesn't appear to have seen many shots. 
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Excellent rifling. Are there any pre-1911 plug gauge stamps on the right flat? On the tubes is a Kelber or Klett >>K<< along with a misstamped >>KS<< closer to the flats above the letter >>8<<. Cheers, Raimey rse
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91/83(9,40mm) plug gauge which would pair w/ that 1903 Z-M date then mm stamps may be from a proof effort @ Suhl prior to 1912......
Let's make that prior to 1922 to be correct. I assume that in 1903 in Z-M the mm mark would not be applied and that if it passed again thru the Z-M proof facility post 1911 then a 2nd date code would be applied. Odd though that the diameter didn't seem to vary much and that there isn't a Crown over R / Reproof / Repair mark applied. Cheers, Raimey rse
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This would be a possible candidate...
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Rupprecht,_Crown_Prince_of_Bavaria
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Wolfgang
Wolfgang - that is an interesting idea. Crown Prince Rupprecht would have been 34 years old if the 1903 proof date is original. I wonder how likely a mistake it would be for a Berlin gunmaker to use a more typical Prince's hat for German and Austrian families rather than the House of Wittelsbach family one shown in Rupprecht's monogram?
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Jan, the probability is very small, because one would have claimed this crown immediately! Another possible candidate is Richard Wittgenstein- Berleburg: Richard Sayn-Wittgenstein der Ältere With the right crown... Cheers, Wolfgang
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Wolfgang - I think you might have just found the right owner. It is the right crown and I notice he was named Prince in 1904. If the August 1903 Z-M proof date is the original, perhaps this rifle could have been commissioned ahead of time as a gift to mark the occasion? Familial Coat of Arms  soccer
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Are there any pre-1911 plug gauge stamps on the right flat?
On the tubes is a Kelber or Klett >>K<< along with a misstamped >>KS<< closer to the flats above the letter >>8<<.
Raimey - I can't see the "K" that you can or any gaging mark at all on the right side flat but took this picture just in case. 
Last edited by Ian (WI); 09/29/20 06:19 PM.
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Many thanks Ian. The mechanic initials >>K.S.<< are just above the 8 forward of the right flat. The >>K<< was double stamped. Now I assume these are mechanics marks for the craftsmen @ Suhl so with that in mind, I'd say it noted effort, liability & compensation for K. Schlegelmilch of H. & K. Schlegelmilch, a late 19th century and early 20th century firm. I am sure the possibility exists for another Suhl mechanic or two plus a couple Z-M craftsmen, that is if they applied their craft.
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