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HomelessjOe #578627 08/25/20 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Sorry Tim, you are dead wrong.


Actually you are dead wrong....if I were running things several people in this thread would get permanent bans and you would be one of them.

If I remember correctly no personal attacks are allowed on this forum...most of the wolf criers are guilty as sin.


Most of the "wolf criers" as you so eloquently put it jOe, are guilty of responding in kind to you and Keith. Dave should have banned you rather than let AmarilloMike slip away. He contributed more to this site than you ever will. Rather telling that you are proud of that. You should be embarrassed.

And the mere though of you "running things" has given me my laugh for the day.

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Originally Posted By: craigd


I can also understand how tactics can be taken as repulsive. The frustration seems to come from the inability to moderate the forum per individual preference.

My default sets to the last three months, three of the five topics in the Silent Doubles forum look to be started in questionable taste with arguably no provocation. Many on topic threads get thumbed in the eye with an anti conservative pundit or anti current President comment that comes out of left field. Some posts are repulsive, some are calm and collected counselling about the inevitability of the 'will of the people', some are near real time copy and paste of the latest left wing political talking points.

No, I don't think you're dead wrong.


I must say I hadn't visited the Silent Doubles forum for many many months. More repulsive and divisive behavior. Serious trolling.

Craig, an objective examination of the site would indicate that it is an incredibly small number of people who operate outside the normal bounds of decency. It's not a problem of trying to accommodate "individual preferences". It's two or three people who consistently and with malice aforethought drag the place down.

Keith isn't defending anything.
NCA isn't making any serious point.
RMB isn't converting anyone.
And jOe certainly isn't making any friends. LOL

Most of us....the vast majority, are tired of being subjected to their ruination of threads and the site. I'll say it again. It's not about political viewpoint. It's about conduct. I notice you can be in agreement with just about everything Keith professes to stand for. You can engage the same people on the same subjects as Keith. But I don't see you stooping to Keith's repulsive behavior.

It's about conduct that supports the site.

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Dave Weber #578629 08/25/20 09:40 AM
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Craig is spot on the misuse of Silent Doubles by NCA225 was flat wrong and disingenuous to an extreme. It only spawned more nastiness.


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Originally Posted By: Tim in PA


Dave has let his feelings about the 2nd amendment be known, and supporting anti-gun Democrats isn't part of it. If members here want to support Democrats, they should be considerate enough to keep their opinions to themselves, toj avoid creating bad situations. If you wouldn't shout racial slurs at a BLM rally, don't push left wing politics here.

Tim


Curious concept on your part. While I believe this board would be better served to ban politics or create a separate area for it, Dave has not done that. He has created much more a free speech zone with rules on Conduct.

You solution in this free speech zone is that of a left wing cancel culture oppressor; Silence those whose disagree with you. It is philosophically inconsistent to stand proudly for the 2nd Amendment while denying the first.

While I concur there are left wing posters whose views are irritating, views alone though wrong on a free speech board do not justify the ignoring of the rules of conduct. I actually have at least one poster on the ignore feature as his posts are sub par.

Tim, your view that on other boards politics is rarely brought up Is correct in a way. It is correct because many, maybe most, ban or seriously limit political discussions. If that is the environment you want go there and stay there, or lobby Dave to change the rules to match those boards.

While I disagree with left wing political views I believe I am capable of arguing against them without violating our boards rules, I wish all could.

Lastly the real value of this board is double gun knowledge, it would not upset me if Misfires came back, or politics get banned for a time.


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Returning to the beginning of this thread

Unfortunately without enforcement, misconduct against the board rules will proliferate. Appealing to better angels has proven hopeless.

Rather than be banned it would be far better those banned obey board rules and post positively on this board. I believe banning is not a good thing and to be avoided if at all possible.

Funny how Keith’s attacks in violation of board rules did not breed a moderator response, At least one we could see, but when responded to in kind, it did. Sad that Keith was not corrected sooner, or more often. Unfortunately Keith is not unique in his violation of board rules. There are others who did not get banned, but it is likely because they were not involved in that particular melee or they would have been banned for a time as well.

Maybe we should thank SDH for not taking it anymore? His sacrifice resulted in Keith’s absence.

As to the discussion of SDH’s now deleted posting, I do not believe the post was fully true, in fact I think it a good bit of it tongue and cheek baiting rather than fact. It appears more designed to bait, likely in retribution for insults delivered from Keith. Hardly surprising given Keith regular baiting attacks and further the vile nature of many of his insults. Some kernels of truth? Likely, but all true ?

While I may have no affection for Keith I doubt he is completely as described.

It is not in SDH’s post we find the best description of Keith; it is found in reading Keith’s posts, his own words Best Demonstrate the person he is.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb...3331#Post563331

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No, it's not curious on my part. If this is a free speech zone, threads wouldn't get locked or deleted, and no one would be banned. Dave decides what goes and what doesn't.

The only cancel culture here is those wanting Keith canceled. I don't care if Dave bans political conversation or not, I'm not threatened by people too stupid to string two ideas together and realize they're sawing off the branch they're sitting on. But if you want a polite board that focuses on doubles, then people need to keep their left wing ideas to themselves. The plain simple reality, is this, let the leftists troll the board, and this is where it will end up.

And Canvasback, I'm not wrong, if everyone knows politics and guns are connected, no one here would advocate for electing democrats and no one would tolerate that kind of trolling. Which obviously isn't the case.

Tim

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Tim what you fail to realize is not everyone is a single issue voter. Many of us are but many aren't. Many people (whether you agree with their choices or not is immaterial) hold seemingly contradictory ideas. Millions of people make short term choices of expediency that ultimately sacrifice some long term outcomes they may wish to have.

Getting in the gutter to promote adherence to one's beliefs, and that's all they are...... beliefs, rarely advances one's cause. There are many ways Keith could be making a far greater contribution to protecting Americans' right to bear arms than polluting this site. That's a choice he makes.


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Originally Posted By: Tim in PA
The only cancel culture here is those wanting Keith canceled. I don't care if Dave bans political conversation or not, I'm not threatened by people too stupid to string two ideas together and realize they're sawing off the branch they're sitting on. But if you want a polite board that focuses on doubles, then people need to keep their left wing ideas to themselves. The plain simple reality, is this, let the leftists troll the board, and this is where it will end up


That is an amazing amount of burden shifting going on here.

All of the onus to behave is on the lefty democrats to "behave" and better make sure not one of them mention something that could upset your sensitive ears.

I have to admit, that sounds a lot like what I heard around here over a year before about letting african americans partake at a "public" beach (featuring a bunch of trump signs) in the south, that they were welcomed so long as they behaved, treated the white women properly and didn't swear.

You may want to reflect a minute on why you think your getting "trolled" and what exactly that "trolling" is.

And frankly, if you think being confronted with facts and truth is trolling, well then, there is not much more that could be said about that.


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Originally Posted By: Tim in PA
No, it's not curious on my part. If this is a free speech zone, threads wouldn't get locked or deleted, and no one would be banned. Dave decides what goes and what doesn't.

The only cancel culture here is those wanting Keith canceled. I don't care if Dave bans political conversation or not, I'm not threatened by people too stupid to string two ideas together and realize they're sawing off the branch they're sitting on. But if you want a polite board that focuses on doubles, then people need to keep their left wing ideas to themselves. The plain simple reality, is this, let the leftists troll the board, and this is where it will end up.

And Canvasback, I'm not wrong, if everyone knows politics and guns are connected, no one here would advocate for electing democrats and no one would tolerate that kind of trolling. Which obviously isn't the case.

Tim


Tim, Free speech it is, within the board’s rules of conduct. Yes Dave decides, and you agreed to that when you joined the board. Read the rules.

I do not argue for the cancelling of Keith or anyone else. While you are correct others are sick of his attack posts, plus Sick of a couple of other posters too.

You argued that free speech is appropriate for those you agree with, but others be silent.

I argue for adherence to the rules in word and spirit.

Are you really so afraid that a couple of left leaning posters exist that we have to disregard the boards stated rules and hound them from the website?


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Been following this thread and happily never experienced any of the unpleasant behavior. The one or two off-topic things that Keith posted I just ignored. I would like to thank all of the awesome guys here for helping me with technical knowledge over the years. That is what I come here for, and I try to freely and cheerfully give what I know, as well.
Rush's radio show is about to come on the air, so I gotta go, because I rarely miss the first hour. Everyone have a great day!


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