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Here is a patent use number "1432" for a "JP" patent. Trying to figure out what the "JP" is.



From a double .450 BPE rifle U-L hammer gun dated to 1878. Seems early for a Perks ejector (patented in 1878).


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I could be mistaken but I believe that is the patent number in the triangle, not the patent use number.
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Hard to tell if it's a patent number (I don't have it in my database) or patent use number. I'll put up pictures of the gun and the advertisement. Perhaps someone might recognize something (note Henry A&T patent use numbers on the barrel) (also you rarely see a straight stock on a Reilly SxS rifle):

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=100569861

E. M. Reilly .450 BPE Double Rifle

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Magnificent .450 BPE for either black powder or nitro-for-black loads. 25.5 inch barrels, and a handy 37.5 inch overall length. Rebounding firing pins, lever forend latch, fine and clean checkering. Possibly refinished, but if so, exceedingly well done. Fully engraved everywhere. Unusual "side-under lever", opens by pushing down as opposed to pulling to side as on most underlevers. Opens and closes easier than any I have felt. Very, very smooth like a bank vault. Very fine bores with deep rifling. Crisp trigger pulls. Straight English style stock. Only 8 pounds, points very well. Locks up tight. Sling swivels. Stock has high end shotgun style butt that has toe and heel plates. Comes in period correct English leather and oak case restored by Marvin Huey with onyx tools, brass oil bottle, brass cleaning rod. Comes with reloading dies and around 40 loaded rounds, some period rounds, some current Kynoch. Also comes with unloaded brass, around 300 projectiles, and trim die. Email for more photos,





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That rifle uses the Purdey double underbite patent and it may or may not be a version thumb opener patent(I have not seen one using the lever in place of the thumb piece before). I will bet the number corresponds to one of the two patents.


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Purdey double bite snap patent was N:o 1104/1863 which shows in drawings an early thumb hole action with the opening lever pivoted on the action bar.

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Originally Posted By: peevedoff
Purdey double bite snap patent was N:o 1104/1863 which shows in drawings an early thumb hole action with the opening lever pivoted on the action bar.

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You are of course correct. I am beginning to think the patent may be for the the opening system. Some great pics in Crudington & Baker but I can not find the patent number for the Purdey thumb opener.


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Snap action tumb lever was discussed here on this line.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb...&PHPSESSID=

here is Diggory on the thumb lever and snap-action underlever which this gun appears to have:


This from Shotgun Life: https://www.[censored].com/shotguns/guns/purdey-8142-visits-nebraska-bohemian-alps.html
Purdey’s patent number 8372 was for the second pattern thumb hole action,

Here is Diggory on Purdey patents:
https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/the-patents-of-james-purdey-the-younger-2
Patent No. 1104, of 2 May 1863 – Double Bite Snap-Action (“Purdey Bolts”)
Patent No. 424, of 14 February 1865 – Single Bite Snap-Action & Others
Patent No. 1464, of 25 May 1866 – Loaded Indicators
Patent No. 2319, of 23 July 1868 – Adjustable Elevation for the Breech

Patent 1104 would have expired on 1 May 1878. Don't know about the snap lever patents. I have the gun being serial numbered in summer 1878 - obviously an estimation,

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Another very knowledgeable poster offers the following:
The diamond may be referring to patent #2319 of 1868 by James Purdey for an "adjustable tang-mounted rear sight"

Again from Diggory:
"This patent relates more to the fit than the function of a gun, providing the same adjustment as an elevated rib, a concept which had first been introduced by Joseph Manton in 1806. Many of Purdey’s guns at that time were fitted with either ‘semi-bottom’ or ‘bottom’ ribs. These were set down between the barrels, and in the case of the latter actually exposed the breech-face between the breech-ends. While they allow for a slight reduction in weight, they are obviously virtually invisible to the user when firing. James’ solution, in essence, was to have a plate screwed onto the top tang and over the breech, which could be adjusted up or down by turning a screw. This would only work on a gun that was not fitted with a toplever, as in that case the two would have occupied the same space. However, once again it is not known whether any guns were ever fitted with these devices."

However, I don't see it on this gun.

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I also note the mark A&T just near the serial number. This is for Adams & Tait who were barrel riflers. Lagopus…..

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Thank Lagopus. Actually a few months ago I took a look at Henry Patent and Henry A&T patent rifling use numbers on Reilly's, and other guns, hoping to be able to use them to date a gun. Early on 1860-65 all looked well....then it fell apart:

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=568253

The A&T patent use numbers on Reilly SN 21369 are 3793, 3794 - close to the Henry patent A&T use numbers 3524, 3525 on SN 21361. I was never sure how the A&T patent use numbers intersected with the regular Henry patent use numbers....but from the attached line there obviously were at least a couple of chronologies..... A&T started in 1862 and early on looked to mesh with the Henry numbers..but I gave up trying to make sense of it all:

21361 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London & Rue Scribe, Paris. .450BPE. Rifle SxS. U-L, hammer gun. Henry patent A&T use #3524, #3525
21369 - E.M. Reilly & Co., address not mentioned. .450 BPE Rifle SxS. U-L, hammer gun. Henry patent A&T use #3793, #3794; JP Patent 1452

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