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But do look @ the entries where on the thread it is noted that the >>upper hooks<< were manufactured >>after 1874/75<<, or around 1876, and this >>new<< modell points towards the stepped cartridge, which is shown in a catalogue by C. Welzbacher in Darmstadt?


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Oh, leave it to the most capable Larry Schuknecht, adept curator & custodian of Dietrich Apel's website to have the info for review:

http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/E-2-Nr.4-Dreyse-Publisher-2.pdf

Lith Anst v. C. Welzbacher, Darmstadt

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In the first pictures on the sideswing, the barrels have a pinfire type recess cut into the top of the breech. Then have "covers" attached to the breech that cover up the recess when the gun is closed.

Does the recess actually relate to a pinfire ? Is the breech "cover" actually a cover or does it relate to added strength for the gun breech when closed ?

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I believe it was an futile attempt for strength being an effort to shore up the stability. From what I read, it adds little, if any, strength.


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Yes, Raimey, If I were adding strength , I would surely put the screw closer to the breech face. Not much strength with the screw that far back, but many examples have it that way in the Nitro Express thread you noted. Still don't understand the "pinfire" type notch in some of the barrels.

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Yes, that's the original needlefire load. I'm about to confirm (and the base states) that this was converted to firing pin, but still uses the paper cartridge with a brass bass.

Looks like the load data is about the same.

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Ah, I missed page 2. smile Checking links now.

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So it appears this is still needlefire. I did a test with modeling clay and it pierces about a half inch.

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I was able to disassemble and check wall thickness. The breech is very thin by modern standards. This is a gun for small birds at close range.

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Most interesting. What were the difference values or their magnitudes? Did you observe any maker's or process marks?

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