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This article should have appeared a long time ago. https://wp.me/p461yQ-3ZfPlease use Google Translate
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Another wonderful piece of history. Thank you, Daryl
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I have an early H. Leue that I shoot clays with at my club monthly. Beautiful well made gun. Thanks for the article. Too bad we can't see it in English!
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Excellent article, as always. Thank you for sharing.
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Dumb, but learning...Prof Em, BSc(ME), CAE (FYI)
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Could someone please let me know how to read Robertovich's excellent article in English or French. I know I'm old but can still learn new tricks.
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Argo, I'm using Chrome. I right click on the article then a popup box appears allowing me to left click on "translate to English"
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Bernimolin of Liege may have been there, done that. In 1853 he/they reportedly introduced a gun with Lefaucheux action and external cocking levers shaped like normal hammers serving to cock and uncock the tumblers.
OTOH according to the 1883 "Illustriertes Sport-Buch" by Jan Daniel Georgens centrefire hammerless gun was a 1857 invention in System Bernimolin with Lancaster cartridge.
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Markus, from the London`s exhibition 1862 report: "CENTRAL FIRE GUNS. Those most worthy of notice are Lancaster’s, Daw, Gastinne Rennette, Bernimolin Freres and Devisme. Of these, the first two are of French origin, and the latter are evidently but slightly modified forms of them.The cartridges used with these guns differ from the Lefaucheux in having no projecting pin to communicate the blow of the cock to the cap.The cock does not strike this directly, but falls on a steel stud, one end of which is thereby caused to protrude from the breech-piece, and sufficiently indent the copper to cause detonation". THE COCK STRIKE ON A STEEL STUD. It isn`t a hammerless action.
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From the 1858 "Deanes' Manual of the History and Science of Fire-arms": In the breech-loading shot gun of M. Bernimolin of Liege, that eminent manufacturer, by a happy appropriation of the best elements of each of the various French and Belgian systems, produced in 1853 a new arm, which soon took a front rank place with the best of them. From the Lefaucheux he took the method of closing, and retained the lock mechanism of the ordinary percussion gun, with this difference, that the cocks serve no other purpose than to facilitate the play of the tumbler to cock and uncock the gun, on the same principle as in the Beringer pistol; the barrel, together with the mode of loading it, by means of cartridges with metallic bottoms, is an imitation of Loron's idea. The direct ignition at the axis of the bore of the barrel, as in Robert's, Montigny's, and Loron's guns, is effected by the disengagement of two small metallic stems, acting as hammers upon another stem affixed to the base of the cartridge, and on which the cap is placed ; the jet of flame from which comes consequently into immediate contact with the charge of powder.
Since the 1862 text refers to five different manufacturers' guns it is not necessarily specific to Bernimolin. Additionally even if the exhibition Bernimolins were hammered that does not preclude the possibility of a hammerless from them as per Deane & Georgens.
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Once more, an excellent article. Thank you.
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Markus, Beringer system isn`t a classic "hammerless". "Hammerless" means interior tumbler, not a cock without hammer part. Bernimolin Freres system took Lefaucheux`s method of closing. In this case, how do you think the locks were cocking? Naturally by the instrumentality of external cock. Can we consider such system as "hammerless"? I dont know. Thanks anyway
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Well from Deanes' description the 1853 Bernimolin was a lever cocking hammerless although with two cocking levers shaped like a hammer instead of the single lever elsewhere oriented usual later. As for the 1857 hammerless mentioned by Georgens who knows what it was like.
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Marcus, please, let's leave this dispute. Since you consider Bernimolin’s system to be “hammerless” it’s fair to say that Pauli`s second central fire system of 1814 was the first https://wp.me/p461yQ-3o9Regards, Igor
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Possibly if the Pauly cocking lever was independent of the internal striker.
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