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...anyone have any luck with that equation in Doc Drew�s link? According to my calculations Ted should have been on a ventilator by now.


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I�d bet that ain�t the only thing.

The good news is flu deaths the last couple of months are at zero.

Bad news is the same as always, no one here gets out alive.

Best,
Ted

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If you can get beer in hell, it�ll be lite beer.

Only for the Cathies. The Prods get ice water.


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On a Sunday no less! (it is Sunday, isn�t it?)

Oh that is easy one ted.

here ya go, this idiot, in general:

https://newrepublic.com/article/156694/coronavirus-trumps-worst-nightmare

https://icelandmag.is/article/icelandic-...ica-look-stupid

here is another one of the same idiot:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/donald-trump-is-proving-too-stupid-to-be-president/

I could go on and on ted as the list of sources for this inexhaustible, but you get the point..I think...but since you have been showing your density lately, the point is straddling our country with the absolute dumbest person in history to be president, destroying our credibility, making a mockery of American greatness across the world, selling out our national interests to our adversaries and then sitting around playing tweedle dumb during a pandemic is the crime of the century ted. One you participated in.

I know for a hayseed like you this is difficult stuff to figure out. Just about as difficult as taking a Partridge on the wing, hence your proclivity for ground shooting.

Still, I could go on highlighting these shortcomings, but I don't need to pick low hanging fruit.

On to your article.

First off, credit is due where credit is due. I appreciate your are attempting to make a point by citing a reputable source of information. Well done. The NYT is many levels above americanthinker. Keep it up.

As for your premise, I have a question...Did you actually read the article? I ask because if you had, you would realize that your assumption is, as per usual, wrong.

The guidelines requiring this that these states have in place were done at the direction and put into effect by officials at each State's respective Department of health. Not by the democratic Governors. Sorry, It appears that Governor Cuomo didn't create this, however he is keeping this in effect, but why? Maybe the answer to that draws into consideration a bigger question. What to do with the elderly covid patients, whom were in a facility? If they have Covid, but don't require a hospital bed, where do they go? They were in a facility before, and the hospital now needs their bed for a new patient, so they can't stay at the hospital.

Do you send them home? They were in a facility for a reason, probably because they required an assisted living environment, so sending them home to take care of themselves is a no go. Do you send them to live with the their family? Now you have exposed them, and chances are they were in a facility because their family could not give them the appropriate care, so home with family isn't an option either.

Do you send them out on the street? That ain't gonna happen.

Sadly the best option is to put them back in a facility, as alluded to in the article you cited.

"But states are increasingly turning to nursing homes to relieve the burden on hospitals and take in Covid-19 patients considered stable enough to be released."


You will note, that it indicates "States" Not just NY, NJ and CA. In fact the article goes onto state...

"Beth Martino, spokeswoman for the American Health Care Association, which represents nursing homes and assisted-living facilities, said her association had heard that a number of states were considering measures similar to those in California, New Jersey and New York. But many others haven�t offered any guidance on the matter."

You will also note, that your premise that these facilities have to take on these patients is incorrect. The article clearly states that the nursing homes have to be able to take these patients in only is it is safe to do so.

"Mr. Cuomo reiterated that nursing homes had to accept the patients � but only, he clarified, if they could do so safely. Homes unable to comply should transfer them to other facilities or notify the state Health Department"

It does not seem that these facilities have no choice does it ted?

As you can see, a thorough read of your article reveals an understanding inconsistent with your premise.

Perhaps some confirmation bias got in the way of clear thinking ted?

What the NYT article does do is give a pretty good indictment of our healthcare system in general.

Several places thoughout show where the lack of funding, lack of PPE and financial incentives on behalf the nursing homes themselves compelled them to re-admit these patients.

"Richard Mollot, executive director of the Long Term Care Community Coalition in New York, an advocacy group for residents, said he had heard of several nursing homes that had declined. But the vast majority, he said, have a �tremendous financial incentive� to take in new patients."

It also seems that it is the Democrats that are seeking to change this:

"Jonathan G. Jacobson, a Democratic assemblyman whose district includes Poughkeepsie, has urged New York health officials to reverse the directive, calling it �misguided.�

FWIW, I agree that it is misguided. The approach CT and MA are taking seems to be a better one:

"Connecticut and Massachusetts both set aside facilities to care for Covid-19 patients. One in Connecticut started accepting patients from hospitals last week. Massachusetts emptied one site of other residents and reopened seven closed facilities to treat positive patients."

Did you also see that the article also highlighted the alternative? As spelled out by your article, lets look at the plight of poor Mr. Stubits.

"Without clear guidelines, patients in hospitals faced the question of where they should go if nobody wants them.

John Stubits, 96, a former civil engineer, was sent by a Michigan memory care center to a nearby hospital on March 30, where he tested positive for the virus. He briefly improved, and the hospital searched for somewhere to discharge him, according to his daughter, Eva Stubits. His previous residence would not accept him unless he tested negative for the infection; no other home in the state would take him.


John Stubits, 96, was being treated for the coronavirus when his hospital discharged him to a nursing home.

Ms. Stubits said she was told that her father would be sent to a home in Ohio, more than an hour away. But those plans unraveled when Mr. Stubits became much sicker. Last week, his daughter learned that the hospital planned to send her father to a nursing home in Detroit with poor ratings. After many phone calls, Ms. Stubits found another home about 30 minutes away from his previous residence.

�The hospitals are desperate to get them out, and they don�t care where they go,� she said. �If you don�t know any better, your relative could end up in a really bad place.�

Despite everything, on Friday, Mr. Stubits died at the nursing home."

Its a sh!tty situation for everybody ted, especially for areas of high population density, sh!tty for hospitals, nursing homes, and medical professionals. Its shitty because the Federal Government"s approach is to do nothing, but bluster about how high the dear leader's television rating are.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bo...ll-rises-2020-4

We are in this shitty situation because of that idiot's complete and total incompetence. An idiot you put in charge.

Keep on flailing. Too funny. But if you have the wherewithal to counter with some reasoned thought and facts, have at it. Although I'm doubtful. The last time I showed you were factually incorrect over the amount of net gain of jobs under the Obama administration, you flew away from that more gracefully then the Sally Field as the Flying Nun. Which is why I doubt that you have any courage for any conviction.

Be a good sheep. HomelessAsshole is lurking.

I'll remind you, nca, while smugly thinking the NYT is beyond reproach, that they are the newspaper that published an op/ed piece two years ago by a guy claiming that muzzle-loaders will be the next big thing for mass shooters. You know, because their sale is so unregulated.

No one has a corner on good info regarding CV19. No one hasn't been wildly wrong.

Yabut, who siezed the opportunity by lying about needing a whole bunch of gear and more hospital beds? Your President built field hospitals and sailed five hundred beds into the heart of ny. Hmmm, why didn't you mention there were a glut of unused hospital beds in your [censored] tale?

No, the true value of your [censored] tale is to demonstrate the type of 'logic' a progressive will use for their agenda, eh nca, you know to unite, sound reasonable, and find middle ground, right? Hey, that work for any issue of the minute, eh?

Yuk, yuk, yuk. The software censored me. I was was just keyboard ninjaing, but the software knew you.

You have mistaken me CB. In my post I was not arguing the superiority of NYT reporting, although I did state it is more reliable then the americanthinker.

Rather that was an article ted provided in an attempt to make is ill informed point.

My response was to disabuse ted of his incorrect presumption, with the very artifice he used to assert it. Thats all.

Stay healthy and safe up there.

As Craig pointed out, there were more than adequate hospital beds in every one of those States, some of them put there quickly, on a Federal level. You point out each state had a department of health that made the decision to warehouse the sick with the population most likely to be killed by it and ask why, ignoring who has been in charge of those states for the past 50+ years.

Idiots. And the lackeys of those same idiots. There will be no disabusing what is plainly obvious. The leadership in those states are oblivious.

Put the virus victims with the elderly in the nursing homes. What could possibly go wrong? To use some worn out lefty logic, how about we say �If there was even one fatality from this, how about we have a war crimes tribunal, and, just like in the real world or the military, the leadership hangs along with the scrubs who did it?�

Nice to see you aren�t quoting the McPaper today, Chris.

So, you never got back on the question of who left the Federal supply of N95 masks depleted, after the SARS epidemic?

Best,
Ted

Its nice to see your giving your mouth a break thrifty. Well, at least for time it takes you to switch from one donor to the other...

Anyways, Yabut, yabut,... what? Perhaps you didn't (want to) see this...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/cuomo-responds-trumps-criticisms-70208971

As far as embarrassing that idiot, looks like Cuomo not only ate trump's BigMac, but also his Quarter Pounder for lunch!

But hey just in cased you missed it, The numbers NY was using to estimate needed beds came from trump's own administration. So the lie, if there was one started with your boy.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cuomo-Governors-who-have-states-that-have-fewer-15207968.php

Thanks for the good wishes. I don't think I was mistaken. I understood the point of your post. I was simply pointing out that suggesting the NYT is somehow more credible than American Thinker because...I don't know..... it leans left and AT leans right.....have I got that.....Maybe not such a good idea.