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Thanks for the info. As I understand it,
-- WR made his own guns marketed by retailers
-- WR made guns in the "white" finished by other gun makers
-- WR made actions sold to gun makers mated to guns and finished by the gun makers
-- And WR allowed his patents to be used by other gun makers to build guns, but they had to be inspected by WR before he would serial number the patents.

I'm not trying to hijack this line - just trying to understand what I'm seeing in my database - and you all have a ton more experience than I. So how can one tell by looking at a gun using the Anson Deeley Boxlock and WR top lock what was what?

Let me post an example. Here is a Reilly built on a WR action patent featured in a magazine.
30363 - E.M. Reilly & Co., 277 Oxford Street, London. 12 ga. Shotgun SxS. BLE. Top lever, Anson & Deely patent use #6250. A&D ejector pat use #428 #1 of pair.


30xxx? - E.M. Reilly & Co., 277 Oxford Street, London. 12ga, Shotgun SxS. BLE. Top lever. Anson & Deeley patent use #6265; A&D ejector pat use #427 #2 of pair.(SN not mentioned - Norway gun)


So just say you didn't know who sold these two guns, how could you one tell which of the above 4 options was used? (Pretty much the original question asked by RAR).

And by the way the article which featured 30363 mentioned that the author would like to know if anyone knew the whereabouts of the #2 of the pair.
https://www.theexplora.com/who-made-this...nd-ian-jackson/
The SN of the Norwegian gun is not mentioned but looking at the patent use numbers, I'm pretty sure it is indeed the #2 - found it on an Indian site).

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this is certainly a comment from the "peanut gallery", but i would question the third possibility offered by Argo. i suspect that in this case, the second possibility is much more likely. my reasoning is that the wr patent includes both the action & barrel set....not at all the same thing as fitting a purdey bolted set using no third bite.


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Originally Posted By: SKB
That gun not only has the A&D patents but also the C-bolt. As I said in my first post, I do not believe anyone but WR built guns on the C-bolt top lever platform. I could be mistaken on that point but I do not think so. My guess, at a minimum the barreled action was built up by WR, possibly the whole gun and simply branded Hollis.


Not all Richards had the set screw, but the shape of the lever is definitely different, this an early Richards maybe there was a transition period for the lever and design.


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Reilly 26781 (late 1884-early 1885) WR C fastener. No set screw.



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This resembles an WR action...it would be dated late 1881 in my chart. No set screw and no C fastener. Is it WR?
23536 - E.M. Reilly & Co, 277 Oxford St., London. Shotgun SxS 12 ga. BLE. Steel Barrels. A&D Patent use #3814 (RWG’s gun)(1st use of renumbered addresses 277, 16)


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Interesting. I too own an Isaac Hollis double 12 bore with a Westley Richards action. Mine is plain and looks much like a WR 'Gold Name' except the name Isaac Hollis is just engraved and not in gold. Nice gun though with Damascus barrels. Maybe there was some regular Trade interaction between Hollis and Richards. Lagopus…..

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well the action cleaned up nicely and the oil damage owas surface oil and the wood is gorgeous!! I'll get more pics with the Before and After shots!



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I really would like a WR

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Slowly coming along, waiting on barrels then I’ll get some complete shots, literally!








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