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So curious to see if this is a Richards action that had been supplied to the trade?


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Hard to answer about "supplied". What maker's name is stamped ?

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Looks it...very early looking top lever. It is a C-bolt action correct? You do not show the rib extension or the breech face at the fences so hard to be sure.


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Its marked I. Hollis & sons London but has Bham proofs.




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I would say that is a Westley action. Tons of makers made A&D guns but as far as I know the C-bolt top lever was only built by Westley. Cool gun too!


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My guess is that the gun was made by Hollis, and returned to Westley Richards for inspection and patent use stamps, which was normal during that period.

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i own an I. Hollis & Sons gun #364xx that is mechanically identical. this is the second gun by hollis that has sold on gb recently. for myself, condition of this gun was simply to far gone to consider. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863868968

i bid on the previous gun, https://www.gunbroker.com/item/858847620
it was cut at both ends, but seemed to me to have a lot more to work with. also, carried early nitro proofs from 80's- early 90's.

they are both WR guns finished by hollis and carry similar markings to my gun.

don't recall which of the regulars here posted a comment recently to the effect of his hollis gun being a "westley richards gold name"....without the gold and with another name.

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+made...me&ie=UTF-8

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I own a Thomas Turner with the same action. One of my favorites.

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I dont know doesnt look that much off from the one you bought at half the price. In any case I was curious to see if it was a Richards made gun or a gun using the Westley Richards patents.

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I will get accused of trying to insert Reilly into everything but it's what I know and this is a follow-on of interest in a way to the posts on UK gun patent numbers. It's important to me and others and history.
-- Reilly made a number of Westley Richards guns.
-- And he sold complete Westley Richards guns presumably made by Westley Richards.



I assume that if the gun had a serial number, Reilly made it - that's the thesis. Daryl, who did a lot of research on W-R patents, states that if a gun-maker built a gun on W-R patents, he had to bring it to W-R to inspect the quality before getting a patent use number. Therefore, I'm looking forward to continued discussion of this. To assist analysis I could post photos of the below actions.

23536 - E.M. Reilly & Co, 277 Oxford St., London. Shotgun SxS 12 ga. BLE. Steel Barrels. A&D Patent use #3814 (RWGs gun)(1st use of renumbered addresses 277, 16)
26781 - E.M. Reilly & Co., 16 New Oxford St., London & rue Scribe Paris. .360 BPE, SxS rifle. AD Boxlock; W-R C fastener Top Lever.
30xxx - E.M. Reilly & Col, (Address not mentioned). 12ga Shotgun SxS BLE, W-R action, Sleeved. #2 of pair
30363 - E.M. Reilly & Co., London. 12 ga. Shotgun SxS. BLE, W-R action. Top lever, Anson & Deely patent use #6250. #1 of pair.
30xxx - E.M. Reilly & Co., 277 Oxford St., London. 12ga. Shotgun SxS. Steel barrels. BLE, W-R action. Anson & Deeley patent use #6265; A&D pat 427, #2 of pair (Norway gun)

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