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#569356 04/09/20 03:10 PM
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A friend of mine came across what is left of this drilling and thought I might like to have it. Story is, it was buried for some time. Don't know why. I will clean it up what I can and stick it on a wall at the cabin. Anyhow, I was just wondering if someone might be able to decipher who the maker was. I can't really make anything out on the underside of the barrels except for Krupp and what proof marks you see. On top of the right barrel there is a sort of crest and letters that look like a,b,a and Suhl underneath. It is 16 gauge over I believe 9.3x62.




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Looks to have some physical damage as well?


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It still opens and closes rather smoothly and that is without any cleaning yet or oiling.

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I would fancy a better image of the monogram atop the tube but it appears to be >>KABA<< which was:

Karl Bauer & Compagnie. The concern was a Berlin based company with satellite offices in Breslau, Koenigsberg, Frankfurt am Main and Suhl. I would say the Suhl office was a sourcing point as Karl Bauer & Compagnie was not a Büchsenmacher, but rather a firearms merchant, wholesaler & a fierce competitor to GECO. Both concerns had their wares made on the backs of the talented mechanics in Suhl & Zella Sankt Blasii & Mehlis. Karl Bauer & Compagnie specialized in "Vogelbuechsen" and was active until the 2nd Major Disagreement in Europe.

Any images of the touchmarks? Being a Blitz platform, I would hazard a guess it was made in Zella Sankt Blasii - Mehlis.

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I took another look. It is indeed KABA. Below is a pic of the proofs. I spent some time on the bores. I'm surprised at how much they cleaned up.

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Well, I was a bit off by a few kilometers. It passed thru the Suhl proof facility post 1912 & pre-1923 and is 16x16X9,3X72R. HS(Schlegelmilch?) was the tubeset knitter.


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Thanks Raimey.

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Glad to assist. Might have been Express proofed but a bit difficult to discern. Looks like a 12 gramme bullet weight.


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Just a cursory search mind you, but it appears that Karl Kappes was a shotshell(Schrotpatronen) peddler in Berlin sourcing inland Germany in 1910 and maybe the name was Kappes & Bauer. By the end of WWI in 1919, Karl Kappes expired & Karl Bauer bought into the concern and the name evolved to Bauer & Compagnie. Karl had a son named Gustav who looks to have operated a satellite office in Wroclaw, Poland. And in 1927?, Gustav Genschow & Compagnie absorbed KaBa/Waffenhändler Karl Bauer & Compagnie and the name propagated till WWII. Now there were several Bauer mechanics, but Gustav Bauer had an apprentice named Kurt Seidler and after he attained his master mechanic's sheepskin, he continued some leg of the KaBa empire in the 1930s? Quite a KaBa Gordian Knot that needs to be unwound @ some point.

http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/gustav-genschow-co-geco/

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Yes, a "jigsaw puzzle" of information to decipher.

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